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1080P said:
For what pay rate? Please tell me it's not the same as the 170/175
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Are the first officers paid the same as a 37-seat 135 first officer ($37/hour max)? Do the captains make less than the Midwest first officers still on property ($101/hour)? If the answer to both questions is yes, then f*ck you guys. The same Republic pilots that hated Skybus are now even more disgraceful. Yes, I used to work for Republic and am now more ashamed than ever. No, I never flew anything with more than 50 seats at Republic for the short time I worked there.
 
Metro752 said:
Would you rather:

Fly for GoJets

or

Fly for Republic in the E190.
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Go Jets. Hands down. Both companies are there to get around scope. Republic is replacing mainline-paying jobs with regional-paying jobs while Go Jets is replacing regional-paying jobs with regional-paying jobs.
 
hockeypilot44 said:
Go Jets. Hands down. Both companies are there to get around scope. Republic is replacing mainline-paying jobs with regional-paying jobs while Go Jets is replacing regional-paying jobs with regional-paying jobs.
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What about all those United 737 retirements, and go jets ordering more CRJs?
 
hockeypilot44 said:
Go Jets. Hands down. Both companies are there to get around scope. Republic is replacing mainline-paying jobs with regional-paying jobs while Go Jets is replacing regional-paying jobs with regional-paying jobs.
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Really, did I just read that right? You would rather go fly for Ho-Jets, thats a big indicator into your failure with Republic.
 
Popeye0537 said:
Really, did I just read that right? You would rather go fly for Ho-Jets, thats a big indicator into your failure with Republic.
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Failure with Republic? What failure? I never failed a check-ride, never received a violation, and I voluntarily left with a clean record less than two years after I upgraded to work for what is now the largest airline in the world. As much as you don't want to believe it, my colleagues (legacy pilots) have more respect for Go Jets than Republic (neither one gets much respect). They are both teamsters, but Republic is a bigger threat. I would personally never work for either one again. When I started at Chautauqua, the largest plane we flew was an EMB-145. When I left, the largest plane I had ever flown was an EMB-145.
 
Soon Republic will just buy whatever is left of Midwest and operate the whole airline as a subsidiary with E-190s.
 
Now let's hold on one second, and think back. Now, wasn't there a clause when RAH began flying for Midwest, that Midwest could take over the lease of the aircraft, if the pilots agreed to it, and then Midwest pilots could fly the aircraft, and hence still have a job.

Midwest rejected the AirTran Merger, if they did not do this...You could still be flying now.

RAH has fed money into a dying airline, and hence kept it aloft. Did you Midwest Pilots actually think you would still be flying with the financial shape of the company? At least it is still operating.

Skyways gets put out of business, Skywest comes skipping in and takes over the flying. Skyways, wholly owned regional for Midwest, all the pilots out of work, Skywest takes the routes...where is your anger toward that company???

What I am seeing are a bunch of whiney a## babies here. I am victim from the TWA and AA buyout, so if you want bad go that route.

Maybe the Midwest pilots should have taken some concessions, and then maybe they would have less money, but at least they would still have a job and money coming in
 
hockeypilot44 said:
Failure with Republic? What failure? I never failed a check-ride, never received a violation, and I voluntarily left with a clean record less than two years after I upgraded to work for what is now the largest airline in the world. As much as you don't want to believe it, my colleagues (legacy pilots) have more respect for Go Jets than Republic (neither one gets much respect). They are both teamsters, but Republic is a bigger threat. I would personally never work for either one again. When I started at Chautauqua, the largest plane we flew was an EMB-145. When I left, the largest plane I had ever flown was an EMB-145.
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Ah, so you used Republic just like everyone else uses regionals. How does that make you better than anyone else?
 
ABC123 said:
Maybe the Midwest pilots should have taken some concessions, and then maybe they would have less money, but at least they would still have a job and money coming in
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Are you kidding me? The Midwest pilots were willing to take concessions. They wanted to negotiate with the company to come to terms that would benefit both groups. Management would not negotiate. If the pilots at Midex gave management what they wanted, a Senior Captain would go from $153/hr to $87/hr. Top FO pay would drop from $100/hr to $37/hr. The kicker is that many captains were downgraded. So you would have guys going from $135/hr to $37/hr as a senior FO.

If you actually think that this is reasonable then you are obviously managements little wet dream. The pilots here actually took a stand, and all this undercutting is going to continue to ruin things for everyone.
 
ABC123 said:
What I am seeing are a bunch of whiney a## babies here. I am victim from the TWA and AA buyout, so if you want bad go that route.
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Not a good comparison. At least the pilots ARE ON AA's seniority list (as well as the flight attendants) no matter how bad the integration got.

And frankly, no one has bought us yet, again unlike TWA. No one has forced us into Ch. 11 to get rid of Icahn's ticketing revenue scheme either. Your comparison has no merit.

The point of our bitching is that people make a great big deal re: GoJet yet stay silent on Republic, which is doing exactly the same thing here: Flying aircraft at lower subsidized rates (subsidized by their relative junior seniority) to replace someone else's flying.

And for the 80 millionth time, we offered Midwest management to opportunity to place ALL skyway pilots on our seniority list.

Hopefully Congress can sniff a little of this. An airline with a known tendency for fatigue (that was a contributing factor in the CLE overrun) is expanding it's flying to replace more experienced aviators due to "cost".

Cannot wait for 5 years in the future when that Indian FO will fly your crappy 170 for half what you do.
 
Wow...pretty soon we'll have the Space Shuttle being flown by RAH pilots making minimum wage. Way to go folks! What a freaking shame.
 
BrazPilot said:
Wow...pretty soon we'll have the Space Shuttle being flown by RAH pilots making minimum wage. Way to go folks! What a freaking shame.
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Hey, it's management, not the pilots. They're forced to fly the shuttle. Boo hoo, poor me.
 
CitationLover said:
Hey, it's management, not the pilots. They're forced to fly the shuttle. Boo hoo, poor me.
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Sniff, Sniff....please feel sorry for me. I fly(flew) a B717 and I deserve to get paid more than an major airline F/O becasue we offer cookies in flight. You dam regional pilots stole my job and I hate you....sniff, sniff
 
Republic...you scum bags. How do you even look Midwest crews in the eyes? Just remember that hundreds were furloughed so you can fly 100 people around at $37/hr. How long until this 2 airplane order turns into 10..20?
 
What ever!!! Do you honestly think we had a choice? Lets see.. Hmmm... should I quite my job becuase some tool at a "legacy"... think our MGT is scum bags. The pilots here are not scum bags. A majority of us don't want these on property. Your arguments are fruitless!
Keep on complaining.... You sound so professional! I bet the media would love to know how unified pilots are.
 
I'm not a friggin scab or a scumbag. I chose to apply/interview with Chautauqua 4.5 years ago because they had a diverse income and seemed to be poised for growth, just like many other regionals at the time. I'm not pleased to see the 190's here, but I fully understand we have the responsibility to vote a solid contract with pressures probably not seen by any "regional" carrier in recent years. I'm an average line pilot who has no control over our flying, but I do have control over how I cast my vote when the time comes. I hope our new union management can use their past experience and this new leverage to "raise the bar" to the new level we all need to see.

Our current, ancient labor agreement might as well be written on papyrus at this point, the regional market has changed tremendously in 6 years. At least the previous group had the foresight and the balls to make certain we are all ONE seniority list and don't have to put up with any of this Go-Jet alter-ego crap. But still, between age 65, scope relaxation, and now this, my realistic career expectations are literally changing by the month.
 
GOULET! said:
Republic...you scum bags. How do you even look Midwest crews in the eyes? Just remember that hundreds were furloughed so you can fly 100 people around at $37/hr. How long until this 2 airplane order turns into 10..20?
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Should the employees of Ford walk out and stop doing their jobs for the benefit of GM or Chrysler. Did any of the employees have a say in how the day to day business operations or visionary decisions of future business. Ummm mmmmmmmmmmm NO! We just drive the bus not to mention we have people still out on furlough too Einstein!
 
imacdog said:
Ah, so you used Republic just like everyone else uses regionals. How does that make you better than anyone else?
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I never flew a mainline size jet for regional wages. I flew a 50 seat regional jet for the same wages every other regional was paying. I quit Republic at the first chance I was given. I never even thought twice about it. I would have quit for Midwest had I been given the chance. Midwest wasn't the greatest airline, but it was a place you could proudly hang your hat at the end of your career. Nobody retires at Republic. Alright, one pilot retired because he was uneducated and couldn't get hired anywhere else. Not only are the wages at Republic pathetic, but you have a terrible retirement match, absolutely no work rules what-so-ever, and to make things worse, a pilot group that is in denial. You guys are airline pilots though. Good for you. Good luck supporting your families on first officer wages. Good luck supporting your families on captain wages while paying back your DCA loans. If you are a captain at Republic, you are making the most money right now that you will in your entire life flying airplanes thanks to yourself. Bedford has become more dangerous to our industry than Ornstein.
 
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Anger issues much? For as much as you badmouth your former employer and coworkers, you certainly didn't have a problem working for RAH when you were there, did you? So why is it so awful that others are in the position you used to be in, gaining experience so they can move onto a better job? The pilots don't make policy - they just show up and do their jobs. You would have quit for Midwest? Oh please, you can stop anytime you want. You're starting to sound a bit like PFT_128. Read my signature a few times, then feel free to continue bashing the place that helped you get to where you are now.
 
UnstableAviator said:
I'm not a friggin scab or a scumbag. I chose to apply/interview with Chautauqua 4.5 years ago because they had a diverse income and seemed to be poised for growth, just like many other regionals at the time. I'm not pleased to see the 190's here, but I fully understand we have the responsibility to vote a solid contract with pressures probably not seen by any "regional" carrier in recent years. I'm an average line pilot who has no control over our flying, but I do have control over how I cast my vote when the time comes. I hope our new union management can use their past experience and this new leverage to "raise the bar" to the new level we all need to see.

Our current, ancient labor agreement might as well be written on papyrus at this point, the regional market has changed tremendously in 6 years. At least the previous group had the foresight and the balls to make certain we are all ONE seniority list and don't have to put up with any of this Go-Jet alter-ego crap. But still, between age 65, scope relaxation, and now this, my realistic career expectations are literally changing by the month.
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Please explain how you guys are going to "raise the bar" for us all by flying 190s....you can't. Your rates for it are disgusting. Your Captain pay is what FOs should be making on it. You can blame your management all you want but we all know you won't have the ball$ to fight for a respectable wage. As far as everybody is concerned Republic is an alter-ego for Midwest. Call it whatever you want to help you sleep better at night.
 
UnstableAviator said:
Our current, ancient labor agreement might as well be written on papyrus at this point, the regional market has changed tremendously in 6 years. At least the previous group had the foresight and the balls to make certain we are all ONE seniority list and don't have to put up with any of this Go-Jet alter-ego crap. But still, between age 65, scope relaxation, and now this, my realistic career expectations are literally changing by the month.
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YAWN! Same old tired speech delivered since CHQ Guppy Killers were signed off on. 'Just wait guys, we will get a REAL next contract.' No offense but given the juvenile mentality of your group, I'm not holding my breath on Republic/CHQ/'I'm a Jet Captain!' Club ever getting a decent contract.

In the meantime, congrats on the latest torpedoing of yet another round of airline careers. At least you guys will keep upgrading. Remember to keep talking tough about your next contract.
 

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