ABX Hiring!?!

[oldawg]

The first new hire class starts tomorrow for 4 KIX 767 F/O's and 2 recalled DC-9 F/O's.
The DC-9 bid for the 10th may remain unfilled, since DHL now plans to park our last 2 DC-8's in December. This will result in 11 surplus pilots.

 

[Smoking Man]

The first new hire class starts tomorrow for 4 KIX 767 F/O's and 2 recalled DC-9 F/O's.
The DC-9 bid for the 10th may remain unfilled, since DHL now plans to park our last 2 DC-8's in December. This will result in 11 surplus pilots.

I want to make sure I understand, the 4 767 fo's are they going to KIX on First year FO pay or are they going on the second year/ moving/housing/school package?

Thanks

 

[GoABX]

The company reneged on the 2nd yr pay. So new hire pay went from $83703 to $29841...good luck living on that.

 

[Smoking Man]

Do they still get the moving/housing/school package?


I have a friend who interviewed and what he was told in the interview and the offer is different.



As far as that kind of money in KIX, you would have to find a pile of rubble in kobe from the last earthquake in 96 to live in.

 

[thestable1]

OK I'll ask first . . . anyone hear anything about the court decision today?

 

[ke4lir]

OK I'll ask first . . . anyone hear anything about the court decision today?

Supposed to be a members only hotline message tonight.

 

[Cargoav8or]

The company reneged on the 2nd yr pay. So new hire pay went from $83703 to $29841...good luck living on that.

Is that true? Riding the jumpseat, your boys said the 1224 informed the company that it was outside the confines of the CBA and should not be paying the new hires second year pay.

Impressive,if that is the case. No deals outside of the CBA!!

 

[HeavyjetDC8]

Impressive,if that is the case. No deals outside of the CBA!!

ABX management can hardly claim to be acting within the confines of the CBA and yet subsequently break those conditions by arbitrarily pulling new pay scales from their rear-end for the Asian domicile. First year pay remains first year pay - totally inadequate though it certainly is.

Per the hotline: Nothing conclusive now until Thursday evening as the company requires additional time to state its defence.

 

[LarryinTN]

Is that true? Riding the jumpseat, your boys said the 1224 informed the company that it was outside the confines of the CBA and should not be paying the new hires second year pay.

The union has not done anything to prevent them from paying 2nd year pay to new hires. Perhaps the company doesn't want to have that example to be brought up in the court case? Not sure how it would hurt them. It's already clear that they're making up the rules as they go for the KIX domicile. I don't see how them voluntarily paying new-hires more if based in KIX would make it any worse.

 

[SIR MILO]

stble-one, you get a call for a class yet?

 

[SIR MILO]

i'm guessing you didn't from looking at pilot central?
So anyone now. how many new hires in classes? Out of those how many DC9 and 767. Was it a 767 class that no one showed up to?
Thanks

 

[abxaviator]

Only 4 on property, all 767 FO KIX.

 

[SIR MILO]

no resolution on KIX though, still just promises.

 

[thestable1]

Sir Milo, I haven't heard anything - good or bad. How about you? Pool letter?

 

[SIR MILO]

Nope not a peep, just the letter from the FAA showing they did a records request a bit back now.

 

[SIR MILO]

So to kick this into gear again, someone else I know who interviewed sayed they called HR the other day to see what is going on and they were told that within the next couple days they were gonna decide on new hire classes and start making calls. I don't think any of us have heard a thing after being interviewed. I know there was one new hire class of 4 for KIX, but is that the one where nobody showed up? Also what's going on with getting KIX into the contract, still in court, getting close, far from it? Inquiring minds would love to know if there gonna call us.

 

[abxaviator]

As stated previously, 4 KIX FO's have started class, that is all so far. As for KIX, it will not be put "into" the current contract; there will be no agreement on the KIX Domicile without ratification of a complete new contract and that is NOWHERE near! We present opening proposals in front of the NMB on 1/29. Good luck, especially if you DO get hired!

 

[splatt]

I heard from an ABX pilot that all hiring is on hold at least until after New Year's. They have to let all the current Osaka / DHL contract / work rules... sort itself out.

 

[ABXbooger]

And now with age 65 here to screw everyone (except the whores who are already doing it) there will be absolutely no hiring. Retirements were the only hope we had to even think about moving.

OPF has ruined this airline.

 

[Sporto]

And now with age 65 here to screw everyone (except the whores who are already doing it) there will be absolutely no hiring. Retirements were the only hope we had to even think about moving.

OPF has ruined this airline.

So true........there goes any hope of hanging around this place. No hiring here. Move along folks, nothing to see here.

 

[SkyMiles]

Looks like there might be a few provisions that need to be added to the contract. Survey going on, tell them your new biggest issue.

 

[T-DOGGIN]

Hello Pot its the Kettle!!!!! i guess its ok to do OPF unless it effects you then dam those greedy bastards.

 

[SkyMiles]

Is that comment directed at me T-DOGGIN?

 

[T-DOGGIN]

Nope Just at the ones who NOW complain about OPF when everyone knows that EVERY pilot there has and will continue to do it

 

[ABXbooger]

I made the complaint and have not once picked up OPF or sold back vacation, which I equate to OPF. Get it straight before you sling stuff...

 

[Jurassic Jet]

I made the complaint and have not once picked up OPF or sold back vacation, which I equate to OPF. Get it straight before you sling stuff...

+1 here. :beer:

In 9 years of employment here I have flown exactly ONE (1) day of OPF and that was over 7 years ago when I first upgraded to the DC9. Never a day since that.

I have NEVER sold back one single day of vacation. I don't like this place that much to want to be around all the time.

One other thing that I have never done is to take pay for training days that land on days off. I make them give me the days off back. I don't think this is any different from OPF either.

Staff the airline correctly.

 

[Box-Hauler]

Jurassic,

Amen brother. As a fellow, no OPF (less than 3 trips in a total of 9+ years and none since we had guys on the streets) I agree with the vacation buy back. I dont do it, and I also get my training days back. If they need me that bad they can try to junior man me, as long as I am not too tired.

 

[SkyMiles]

JJ, Box-Hauler, Booger, ditto here. We need to push to get this opf to stop. Our advancement has been stifled by the wh**es as well as pilots put on the street because of it. And now with 65 it is even more so. Limit to something like 3 days per month max and none if there are furloughs that have not passed up recall. Enough is enough. With all that is going on we may now have the numbers to get this through?

 

[Clipperskip]

JJ, Box-Hauler, Booger, ditto here. We need to push to get this opf to stop. Our advancement has been stifled by the wh**es as well as pilots put on the street because of it. And now with 65 it is even more so. Limit to something like 3 days per month max and none if there are furloughs that have not passed up recall. Enough is enough. With all that is going on we may now have the numbers to get this through?

Now you're talking Skymiles. We took two big hits last week with the "Age 65 law" and the loss in the Cincinnati Court. Perhaps after we lick our wounds we might realize that some good can come from these unfortunate events if we use them as evidence of the need to change the whole broken open flying system. Career advancements will surely slow even further at a company that already prides itself on its low crew manning levels. We must adjust to times. The environment that was appropriate in 1992 when we voted in the present open flying system is no longer relevant to the vast majority of our pilot group in 2007. In 1992 Captain upgrades were taking 2-3 years, just ask any 14th year F/O how long they're taking now. We must realize that this one issue has caused more strife within our pilot group than any other. I do not advocate a total ban on the bidding of overtime just a reasonable balance that will encourage upgrades and career advancement while allowing "some" additional compensation for those willing to give up their precious time off. As I recall no company official ever claimed in my new hire interview that I might expect to double if not triple my base compensation. I would not feel right in doing so especially at the expense of my fellow (less senior) brothers and sisters. It is certainly time for a balance! It is appropriate and right.

 

[Sporto]

JJ, Box-Hauler, Booger, ditto here. We need to push to get this opf to stop. Our advancement has been stifled by the wh**es as well as pilots put on the street because of it. And now with 65 it is even more so. Limit to something like 3 days per month max and none if there are furloughs that have not passed up recall. Enough is enough. With all that is going on we may now have the numbers to get this through?

Couldn't agree more....Just yesterday I received a phone call from a surveyor the union hired. I believe one of his first questions was something like "what are the most important issues regarding this contract"? Before he could spew out his multiple choice answers I told him LIMITING OPEN FLYING.

Anyway, the area code the surveyor called from was 301 so watch for it and tell them about it.