ABX furloughs

[freighthound]

I'm not trying to be a jerk about this, I just want everyone to stay together. So far it has been a strong showing. Let's not let 2% of the group be our focus but rather the other 98%.

When we start throwing bombs at some folks there will be colateral damage and the group will start to splinter. Focus on what is working and how we can make it work better, not on these little sideshows that really have very little bearing on the outcome.

If we try hard to understand and support everyone's sacrifice regardless of how large or small then we will have a better opportunity of sticking together and achieving our goals that will benefit everyone.

 

[GoABX]

"there was no mention of July "

What do you mean there was no mention of July???

Do you think anyone is or should proclaim they are making a personal decision for every week or month of the year!? We do this until the required results are achieved.

Anyone who says well "they didn't mention any other months," is deceiving themselves, not anyone else. They are pre-rationalizing their future breaking away from the pack.

We ALL do it together, for as LONG as it takes. If you don't support your brothers, don't expect them to support you later should you need some help. I don't want to hear any crap[ about it didn't work before or Capt. XX will bid it anyway.

YOU do the Right thing because it is the Right thing to do.

 

[Bitter]

"there was no mention of July "

What do you mean there was no mention of July???

Do you think anyone is or should proclaim they are making a personal decision for every week or month of the year!? We do this until the required results are achieved.

Anyone who says well "they didn't mention any other months," is deceiving themselves, not anyone else. They are pre-rationalizing their future breaking away from the pack.

We ALL do it together, for as LONG as it takes. If you don't support your brothers, don't expect them to support you later should you need some help. I don't want to hear any crap[ about it didn't work before or Capt. XX will bid it anyway.

YOU do the Right thing because it is the Right thing to do.

Never a truer statement made in this thread.

As a truely unified group, we can achieve positive results. Stay the course boys.

 

[Sporto]

"there was no mention of July "

What do you mean there was no mention of July???

Do you think anyone is or should proclaim they are making a personal decision for every week or month of the year!? We do this until the required results are achieved.

Anyone who says well "they didn't mention any other months," is deceiving themselves, not anyone else. They are pre-rationalizing their future breaking away from the pack.

We ALL do it together, for as LONG as it takes. If you don't support your brothers, don't expect them to support you later should you need some help. I don't want to hear any crap[ about it didn't work before or Capt. XX will bid it anyway.

YOU do the Right thing because it is the Right thing to do.

Preach on brother, right on!

 

[two(2)%]

I don't see this "voluntary" opf abstention working when we have 22 crewmembers systemwide "voluntarily" bidding approx. 86 days of opf.

Those with seven or more days: G. Brown 8 days, Leighton 8 days, Mahonen 7 days , Walke 18, 18 days?

Don't forget R. Peterson 7 days (we knew that would happen).

Plenty more with a few here and there. Surprising no. of FOs participating.

 

[erichartmann]

I don't see this "voluntary" opf abstention working when we have 22 crewmembers systemwide "voluntarily" bidding approx. 86 days of opf.

Those with seven or more days: G. Brown 8 days, Leighton 8 days, Mahonen 7 days , Walke 18, 18 days?

Don't forget R. Peterson 7 days (we knew that would happen).

Plenty more with a few here and there. Surprising no. of FOs participating.

Now where did I put my Prep H?

 

[GoABX]

I really have to compliment Joe on the 2 page letter he wrote to all crew members. It is actually well crafted.

The jist is:
1) I don't understand why you are doing this

2) You are about to screw everything up

3) Furloughs are just a business decision

4) You guys need to behave and we can hold hands and work together

5) Please bid over time

The version sent to Ross was more strongly written

1) I don't understand why you are doing this

2) You are about to screw everything up

3) This is illegal, STOP or we will take you to court

4) Everyone, including the Eboard, should bid over time


Given the long list of major contract violations this might be one time we want to be taken to court.

I would not be surprised if we have a TA next Friday night. But gentlemen don't do any backflips, the TA has numerous turds in it and will need to be voted down. So our negotiators can unscrew some of the junk the agreed to and even proposed themselves.

 

[Bitter]

3) Furloughs are just a business decision



Explain that to one of the ten guys that just had there life demoliished for the second or third time.

If furloughs are a business decision, Joe needs to go to business school. They are the most short sighted, least cost affective, morale destroying move that can be made. Jo is a meadicore accountant, not a corporate business leader. Now it shows!

This was a dumb move on his part. The letter proves it. Let him reap the benifits of his and the bobbleheads awesome decision making.

What do they say, you made the bed, now sleep in it.....

 

[xspud]

I haven't seen the letter, I suppose it was posted in ILN? Probably be in my mailbox on Monday. I did get my nifty new Teamster's lanyard, though.

 

[Sporto]

3) Furloughs are just a business decision



Explain that to one of the ten guys that just had there life demoliished for the second or third time.

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He is absolutely Spot On.

 

[BoxesRus]

>>3) This is illegal, STOP or we will take you to court<<

Amazing how Hete's eagle-eyed lawyers can spot an "illegal" violation of the status quo when someone other than Hete commits one. PLEASE take us to court!

 

[Bitter]

So what will come of negotiations this week? Will the company come to the table prepared to seriously negotiate, or will it be there usual dog and pony show....?

 

[356emain]

The survey from the union is out.

 

[HeavyjetDC8]

Which survey and where is it out at?

 

[LarryinTN]

It seems to target some specific provisions of the contract such as pay and junior manning. I received an email yesterday with the link to the online survey.

 

[abxaviator]

Which survey and where is it out at?

It is a Zoomerang online survey. If you have not received a link via email, contact the Union Hall.

 

[Sporto]

June's open flying award is posted. Very discouraging.

 

[abxaviator]

June's open flying award is posted. Very discouraging.

While some previously mentioned individuals did indeed choose to belly up to the bar, the published list includes ALL awards, VRT, MLW, B50, and B75; not just OPF.

 

[xspud]

June Open Flying

I counted 9 pilots who bid June trips. 17 more had OPF next to their names, but those were May trips which carried over into June, they were probably bid and awarded at the end of April. The June bid packages listed 548 line pilots bidding (not including the 10 furloughed), so about 1.5% bid OPF for June by my count.

BTW, I disagree with naming any individuals, whether management or line types. I know that most here refrain from doing that and I hope the rest will follow suit in the future.

 

[Box-Hauler]

I will be looking on the computer to see if anyone I fly with has an OPF trip. I can assure you it will be discussed on the leg down and back on why someone feels the need to whore themselves out during this critical time during negotiations. I will not even touch on the moral issue of guys being on the street, but keep to the main issue of negotiations / status quo violations. I can only hope the poor slob tells me he cannot afford to go 8 weeks without OPF money. That way we will get to review the idea of living below ones means............

 

[Sporto]

I will be looking on the computer to see if anyone I fly with has an OPF trip. I can assure you it will be discussed on the leg down and back on why someone feels the need to whore themselves out during this critical time during negotiations. I will not even touch on the moral issue of guys being on the street, but keep to the main issue of negotiations / status quo violations. I can only hope the poor slob tells me he cannot afford to go 8 weeks without OPF money. That way we will get to review the idea of living below ones means............

I wish there were more "Stand Up" guys like you.

 

[LarryinTN]

It was either 8 or 9 guys who bid OPF. (Can't figure out what the deal is with the one who got OPF trips in the KIX "domicile" that we don't have.)

2 DC9 CA
1 DC9 FO
3 767 CA (Maybe 4)
2 767 FO
0 DC8 CA/FO/FE
0 MIA CA/FO

 

[Bitter]

I cannot believe that somebody not only bid OPF, but volunteered outside the CBA to do it in KIX.

WOW! I hope there is more to this story.......I have flown with the individual, so for now he gets the benifit of doubt. Hope he has a good explanation!

 

[oldawg]

I just went to the company website...there is a lot of unbid open flying listed for June.

 

[ABXbooger]

Just read Hete's letter to the crews. Not a single mention of them violating our current contract. I guess when you tell them long enough, you really do start believing your own lies.

I guess maybe he is right, he has done nothing but grow the company, right, so lets just let him keep steering the ship.

Keep it up, it is obviously killing them...

 

[oldawg]

Can someone explain what the KIX domicile is.

 

[abxaviator]

Can someone explain what the KIX domicile is.

KIX is Osaka, Japan and that's the point, it's NOT a Domicile!

 

[LarryinTN]

The OPF awarded to the one Captain in KIX may, or may not be, actual OPF. That's just the code that they used to add the trips to his schedule. Maybe he "agreed" to fly on off days while he's over there (doing IOE?) for extra money? That would be OPF. Maybe they just added the trips using the wrong code. That would not be OPF. If anyone talks to him ask him what it is.

The KIX trips are not compliant with our current contact as they do not begin and end at a domicile. They are in the computer as though they were out of a KIX domicile but, of course, we have no such domicile. These individual "trips" need to be built into full blocks of KIX flying which include the commercial deadheads to/from ILN. The company just hasn't done that step yet.

 

[ABXbooger]

Yeah, also heard they are jumpseating guys from ILN to PDX then ANC then commercialing them to KIX. and they are giving people days off in KIX too. They wonder why...

 

[abxaviator]

Yeah, also heard they are jumpseating guys from ILN to PDX then ANC then commercialing them to KIX. and they are giving people days off in KIX too. They wonder why...

The ILN-PDX-ANC DH's were to put a crew into position for the 767 starting flying ANC-ILN-ANC daily. It was to start this weekend, but was moved up to last weekend. The Stewards have not had any reports of crews being flown commercially from ANC-KIX. The two a/c over there did fly to and layover in ANC then on to KIX.

As far as the days off, the schedules for some do indeed show non-flying days as "off", but a day out of Domicile is by no means an Off day. Any crewmember not receiveing 15/14 days off in ILN is due additional pay and below 13, restoration days. I'm not aware of any issue with this not being the case yet, but were that to be the case it would be aggressively fought.