ABX furloughs

[LarryinTN]

The COF Award posted day before yesterday for 5/23-31 shows 24 guys bidding 30 or so days! Kinda flies in the face of the stated 7 guys in June.

Two points.

1. Nobody ever said anything about not bidding OPF in May.

2. The COF award report doesn't tell you WHEN they bid and were awarded the COF trips. Many of those trips, if not all of them, were awarded before the decision was made to stop bidding OPF. I know that at least two of the guys on that list tried to give those trips back but their schedulers wouldn't take them back.

 

[LarryinTN]

Please forgive me for my ignorance, but how is DHL killing ABX? Are they transfering flying to Astar, or forcing the rates down or what?

They are combining multiple flights into a single flight with through-stops. Astar isn't getting any new airplanes, they're just adding through-stops to existing trips.

The problem is that whenever they do this they lose the ability to make reliable morning deliveries in the terminating city because of the additional time it takes to make the stops. The ILN sort is already SCHEDULED to run the better part of an hour longer than it did prior to 2003. Once you add in the typical delays you have flights arriving at their terminating stations well into the morning.

 

[abxaviator]

Two points.

1. Nobody ever said anything about not bidding OPF in May.

2. The COF award report doesn't tell you WHEN they bid and were awarded the COF trips. Many of those trips, if not all of them, were awarded before the decision was made to stop bidding OPF. I know that at least two of the guys on that list tried to give those trips back but their schedulers wouldn't take them back.

1. Now that's what I call splitting hairs.

2. As I understand it, that is a list of trips AWARDED at 1200 on 5/23. It can be easily verified as to when each individual was awarded the trip. If one called scheds BEFORE the award to pull their bid, scheds would have no choice but to do so. If they let it ride until after the award, they get no credit for their "efforts" to drop the trips.

 

[LarryinTN]

1. I don't think that it's splitting hairs. The May OPF was awarded before the furloughs were annouced. A handful of pilots picking up May COF will make no difference at all to the company, one way or the other. The furloughees are even being paid for all of May. The hotline message made no mention of May, only June.

If someone wanted June OPF but is refraining from bidding any, it would make sense for them to pick up some extra at the end of May and to possibly trade any June vacation that they had planned to buy back for vacation later in the year when they might be able to buy it back.

2. The report shows all COF trips that report anytime from 5/23 through 5/31. It doesn't show when the trips were awarded. To find out when the trips were awarded you would have to look at the individual's schedule in crewtrak and see the history of the assignment.

 

[Sporto]

1. I don't think that it's splitting hairs. The May OPF was awarded before the furloughs were annouced. A handful of pilots picking up May COF will make no difference at all to the company, one way or the other. The furloughees are even being paid for all of May. The hotline message made no mention of May, only June.

If someone wanted June OPF but is refraining from bidding any, it would make sense for them to pick up some extra at the end of May and to possibly trade any June vacation that they had planned to buy back for vacation later in the year when they might be able to buy it back.

2. The report shows all COF trips that report anytime from 5/23 through 5/31. It doesn't show when the trips were awarded. To find out when the trips were awarded you would have to look at the individual's schedule in crewtrak and see the history of the assignment.

That being said, it's June or bust because there was no mention of July and OPFer's will be salivating.:bomb:

 

[freighthound]

2. As I understand it, that is a list of trips AWARDED at 1200 on 5/23.

Well you understand wrong. When they run the COF award for any date it shows the COF trips that were awarded and are to be executed after the run date and time. It has nothing to do with when they were bid. The COF sheet run on the 23rd at noon will show all COF awards that starts after 1201 on the 23rd regardless if they were just bid or bid back on the last Wednesday in April.

If you want people to stay unified be a positive input to the situation not go out and start throwing stones, especially if your facts aren't straight, and then wonder why people stop wanting to support your cause.

 

[penguin22]

If you want people to stay unified be a positive input to the situation not go out and start throwing stones, especially if your facts aren't straight, and then wonder why people stop wanting to support your cause.

Hey, nicely put. Wish I'd said that.


Anybody think they'll actually post the June open flying award? Does anybody know if they're required to?

 

[Sporto]

2. As I understand it, that is a list of trips AWARDED at 1200 on 5/23.

Well you understand wrong. When they run the COF award for any date it shows the COF trips that were awarded and are to be executed after the run date and time. It has nothing to do with when they were bid. The COF sheet run on the 23rd at noon will show all COF awards that starts after 1201 on the 23rd regardless if they were just bid or bid back on the last Wednesday in April.

If you want people to stay unified be a positive input to the situation not go out and start throwing stones, especially if your facts aren't straight, and then wonder why people stop wanting to support your cause.

You are correct sir.

 

[ABXbooger]

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[abxaviator]

2. As I understand it, that is a list of trips AWARDED at 1200 on 5/23.

Well you understand wrong. When they run the COF award for any date it shows the COF trips that were awarded and are to be executed after the run date and time. It has nothing to do with when they were bid. The COF sheet run on the 23rd at noon will show all COF awards that starts after 1201 on the 23rd regardless if they were just bid or bid back on the last Wednesday in April.

If you want people to stay unified be a positive input to the situation not go out and start throwing stones, especially if your facts aren't straight, and then wonder why people stop wanting to support your cause.

Hey, I'm not ashamed to admit when I'm wrong, I'm not fortunate enough to be among those who are never wrong; not the first time and won't be the last. Thanks for the correction, I would not intentionally spread misinformation.

Speaking of facts, it's not "my cause", but I stand behind my Union Leadership.

 

[freighthound]

I'm not trying to be a jerk about this, I just want everyone to stay together. So far it has been a strong showing. Let's not let 2% of the group be our focus but rather the other 98%.

When we start throwing bombs at some folks there will be colateral damage and the group will start to splinter. Focus on what is working and how we can make it work better, not on these little sideshows that really have very little bearing on the outcome.

If we try hard to understand and support everyone's sacrifice regardless of how large or small then we will have a better opportunity of sticking together and achieving our goals that will benefit everyone.

 

[GoABX]

"there was no mention of July "

What do you mean there was no mention of July???

Do you think anyone is or should proclaim they are making a personal decision for every week or month of the year!? We do this until the required results are achieved.

Anyone who says well "they didn't mention any other months," is deceiving themselves, not anyone else. They are pre-rationalizing their future breaking away from the pack.

We ALL do it together, for as LONG as it takes. If you don't support your brothers, don't expect them to support you later should you need some help. I don't want to hear any crap[ about it didn't work before or Capt. XX will bid it anyway.

YOU do the Right thing because it is the Right thing to do.

 

[Bitter]

"there was no mention of July "

What do you mean there was no mention of July???

Do you think anyone is or should proclaim they are making a personal decision for every week or month of the year!? We do this until the required results are achieved.

Anyone who says well "they didn't mention any other months," is deceiving themselves, not anyone else. They are pre-rationalizing their future breaking away from the pack.

We ALL do it together, for as LONG as it takes. If you don't support your brothers, don't expect them to support you later should you need some help. I don't want to hear any crap[ about it didn't work before or Capt. XX will bid it anyway.

YOU do the Right thing because it is the Right thing to do.

Never a truer statement made in this thread.

As a truely unified group, we can achieve positive results. Stay the course boys.

 

[Sporto]

"there was no mention of July "

What do you mean there was no mention of July???

Do you think anyone is or should proclaim they are making a personal decision for every week or month of the year!? We do this until the required results are achieved.

Anyone who says well "they didn't mention any other months," is deceiving themselves, not anyone else. They are pre-rationalizing their future breaking away from the pack.

We ALL do it together, for as LONG as it takes. If you don't support your brothers, don't expect them to support you later should you need some help. I don't want to hear any crap[ about it didn't work before or Capt. XX will bid it anyway.

YOU do the Right thing because it is the Right thing to do.

Preach on brother, right on!

 

[two(2)%]

I don't see this "voluntary" opf abstention working when we have 22 crewmembers systemwide "voluntarily" bidding approx. 86 days of opf.

Those with seven or more days: G. Brown 8 days, Leighton 8 days, Mahonen 7 days , Walke 18, 18 days?

Don't forget R. Peterson 7 days (we knew that would happen).

Plenty more with a few here and there. Surprising no. of FOs participating.

 

[erichartmann]

I don't see this "voluntary" opf abstention working when we have 22 crewmembers systemwide "voluntarily" bidding approx. 86 days of opf.

Those with seven or more days: G. Brown 8 days, Leighton 8 days, Mahonen 7 days , Walke 18, 18 days?

Don't forget R. Peterson 7 days (we knew that would happen).

Plenty more with a few here and there. Surprising no. of FOs participating.

Now where did I put my Prep H?

 

[GoABX]

I really have to compliment Joe on the 2 page letter he wrote to all crew members. It is actually well crafted.

The jist is:
1) I don't understand why you are doing this

2) You are about to screw everything up

3) Furloughs are just a business decision

4) You guys need to behave and we can hold hands and work together

5) Please bid over time

The version sent to Ross was more strongly written

1) I don't understand why you are doing this

2) You are about to screw everything up

3) This is illegal, STOP or we will take you to court

4) Everyone, including the Eboard, should bid over time


Given the long list of major contract violations this might be one time we want to be taken to court.

I would not be surprised if we have a TA next Friday night. But gentlemen don't do any backflips, the TA has numerous turds in it and will need to be voted down. So our negotiators can unscrew some of the junk the agreed to and even proposed themselves.

 

[Bitter]

3) Furloughs are just a business decision



Explain that to one of the ten guys that just had there life demoliished for the second or third time.

If furloughs are a business decision, Joe needs to go to business school. They are the most short sighted, least cost affective, morale destroying move that can be made. Jo is a meadicore accountant, not a corporate business leader. Now it shows!

This was a dumb move on his part. The letter proves it. Let him reap the benifits of his and the bobbleheads awesome decision making.

What do they say, you made the bed, now sleep in it.....

 

[xspud]

I haven't seen the letter, I suppose it was posted in ILN? Probably be in my mailbox on Monday. I did get my nifty new Teamster's lanyard, though.

 

[Sporto]

3) Furloughs are just a business decision



Explain that to one of the ten guys that just had there life demoliished for the second or third time.

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He is absolutely Spot On.