AA Recalls

[IronWalt]

Yeah but its shootin spit balls

 

[CitationLover]

the N numbers from the CRJ series at eagle were reserved with the FAA earlier last week. perhaps the 80's are being replaced?

http://www.aepa.org

i know the routes are being shuffled now due to the winglet installations, ie 757 to shop, 737 on 757 route, 80 on 737 route, CRJ on 80 route.

 

[simav8r]

From the APA website as of April 04, 2006:

Fellow American Airline pilots have been on furlough for 1646 days, 20 hours, 33 minutes and 37 seconds.

Pilots furloughed at this time: 2852
Lowest Seniority # on Furlough: 9722

This 100% paycut thing sucks!!!! (That was my own comment)

 

[PHX767]

AA had to furlough 2,800 people to get rid of Kitty, G4G5 and me. They'll do whatever it takes to keep us on the street. TC

What am I, chopped liver??? :nuts:

They only had to furlough about 1,600 to get me!

 

[IronWalt]

Well thank god that AA did that wonderful staple job to the TWA guys. They sure saved a lot of their own. And set the stage for DECADES of unrest, anger, and negative effects.

I will bet management was loving it. You divided your own force for them and made their job easy in the future.

 

[simav8r]

Iron Walt:

First of all, not all TWA pilots were stapled, there are still approximately 400 left on the seniority list today.

Second, the AA pilot group had no direct say in how the integration was going to be handled, that was done through the APA officials elected long before the purchase of TWA and AA management.

As for the unrest, there is always unrest when it comes to buyouts, mergers, integrations, etc. This one sucked for everyone involved, some more than others. Lots of folks on both sides took up to a 100% paycut through this process, including myself.

Unless you were on either the AA or the TWA list, you have no idea what your are talking about, so point that finger back at yourself and have a nice day.

 

[MachPi]

Well thank god that AA did that wonderful staple job to the TWA guys. They sure saved a lot of their own. And set the stage for DECADES of unrest, anger, and negative effects.

I will bet management was loving it. You divided your own force for them and made their job easy in the future.

Dead horse, meet IronWalt. IronWalt, meet dead horse. Gentlemen, start your flogging.

 

[AA717driver]

phx767--I was just giving you the benefit of the doubt. I'll gladly include you in the group that AA set out to lay off! TC

 

[corky]

Thats not paint, its a decal

 

[XTW]

sniff,sniff

 

[Vastly Underemp]

simav8r....ygbsm

 

[FLYnMONKEYS]

Sometimes I think AA did us a favor. AA is kind of like a really hot chick with the crabs. You don't know what you have until you get into bed with them. The quicker you get out of bed with them the quicker you stop itching.

 

[aa73]

Sometimes I think AA did us a favor. AA is kind of like a really hot chick with the crabs. You don't know what you have until you get into bed with them. The quicker you get out of bed with them the quicker you stop itching.

LOL, i'm diggin' that!

 

[simav8r]

simav8r....ygbsm

About what????

 

[IronWalt]

I'm still not impressed.

 

[frog_flyer]

Sometimes I think AA did us a favor. AA is kind of like a really hot chick with the crabs. You don't know what you have until you get into bed with them. The quicker you get out of bed with them the quicker you stop itching.

what are the 'bald' airlines?

 

[Vastly Underemp]

SimAV8R

Can you really sit there and say that the AA pilot group had no say in how the integration went?????? I thought a union was a democratic organization, and the action of the leadership represented the mandate of the masses. Are you say ing that when Ed White said "We f**ked you because we could" that he was acting against his constituants' wishes? Are you trying to tell me that specifically writing (some of) the TWA pilots OUT of the flowback agreement was met with horror and disbelief by the rank and file of the APA? Or how about the time when a 777 Captain made me, MD-80 FO and a real threat to his position, ride in a separate hotel van because HIS contract said HE didn't have to share a van with any OTHER airline (and yes, this was post-integration).

That's YGTBSM what

 

[aa73]

SimAV8R

Can you really sit there and say that the AA pilot group had no say in how the integration went?????? I thought a union was a democratic organization, and the action of the leadership represented the mandate of the masses. Are you say ing that when Ed White said "We f**ked you because we could" that he was acting against his constituants' wishes? Are you trying to tell me that specifically writing (some of) the TWA pilots OUT of the flowback agreement was met with horror and disbelief by the rank and file of the APA? Or how about the time when a 777 Captain made me, MD-80 FO and a real threat to his position, ride in a separate hotel van because HIS contract said HE didn't have to share a van with any OTHER airline (and yes, this was post-integration).

That's YGTBSM what

Underemp, I don't agree with how the integration went either. But you are assuming two things here:

- We were kept informed as the integration came to a close (we weren't - in fact, they didn't send us a copy of the integration until it was already signed - not to mention the fact that the details of the integration were changing weekly as negotiations broke down), and

- Even if we would have recalled Ed White (which I would have supported because of his actions), we would have just gotten some different schmuck that would have screwed you guys even more than what happened.

So, to put it clearly, we the rank and file of AA were basically witnesses to a screw job that would have gone down the same, or even worse, with anyone else at the APA leadership level. Believe me, I would have done it differently had I been in charge. Something along the lines of letting it go to arbitration.

v/r,
73

 

[simav8r]

SimAV8R

Can you really sit there and say that the AA pilot group had no say in how the integration went?????? I thought a union was a democratic organization, and the action of the leadership represented the mandate of the masses. Are you say ing that when Ed White said "We f**ked you because we could" that he was acting against his constituants' wishes? Are you trying to tell me that specifically writing (some of) the TWA pilots OUT of the flowback agreement was met with horror and disbelief by the rank and file of the APA? Or how about the time when a 777 Captain made me, MD-80 FO and a real threat to his position, ride in a separate hotel van because HIS contract said HE didn't have to share a van with any OTHER airline (and yes, this was post-integration).

That's YGTBSM what

Dude,

I can't speak for every moron that was on the property before or after the integration, merger, acquisition, or whatever. I can tell you for a fact that I was never asked what my view on any part of it was. I can also tell you that after getting booted out of my base to STL leading up to and including my last year with AA, I had my share of evil-eye/dirty looks/crummy treatment from TWA flight attendants, gate agents, red shirt wearing rampers, and a-hole captains that had crossed over to the "dark side."

I'm not saying what they did was right, nobody junior to about a 1985 hire date went unaffected in some way shape or form. So direct your anger somewhere else.

 

[PHX767]

There was - and probably still is some animosity on both sides. It's still stupid.

I spent a lot of nights as the only native AA on the employee bus when I was first assigned to the SLT base getting an earful from angry, bitter guys and gals. My standard line became, "It's all my fault. I did this to you. Please vent your spleen all you want to on this bus. When we get off at the other end, that invitation is over and we will have to deal with it in a different manner."

There are a-holes on both sides, let them argue and bitch. Life's too short for me to.