AA Recalls

[pylut]

Herk-
I agree, moving on from aa is certainly advisable. Sounds like you have, and I know I have. Life was tough in the short term, but the furlough turned into a blessing pretty quick. It allowed me to undertake a new business venture which has improved my quality of life and income by a factor of 5 (pre paycuts).

That beings said, I don't confuse moving on with accountability. Moussaoui is on trial today, should the USA just "move on" by setting him free, or should we see that justice is done.
Even though aa holds no allure for me and I can't at this time picture myself as part of that company, I think it would be a diservice to all my good friends at TWA who are still struggling to simply let the aa pilot group off the hook.

AA73- good discussion. Sounds like you might not march in step with the general sentiment at aa. From what I've seen of that lot, that's a healthy practice.

 

[aa73]

I agree, it's a good discussion.

I also think that persuing "justice" against the AA pilot group, however, is a little short sighted. And the comparison with Moussaoui is a little extreme, I think - he will be found guilty of helping plot the murder of thousands of people. I know that your point is, let justice be served... and in his case, it must. But in this case, I believe that if the TWA pilots want to seek justice, it should be towards the group of "leaders" that set it up, and not towards the individual pilots who had no say in it. In much the same way that the TWA rank and file had no say in how the OZ integration went down. It is all conducted at the union leadership level - and that is who should bear the brunt of "accountability."

 

[Flyby1206]

When does the TWA F/A callback expire? Is it possible there are no pilot recalls because in order for them to expand they would need more FAs? Not wanting to bring back the TWA FAs and having to pay top of payscale to them sounds like the AMR way to do things.

 

[aa73]

2008. They got the biggest shaft job of all.

Not sure if there is a correlation between pilot recalls and F/A recalls. I do know that AA cannot expand because of short staffing. However I believe we will see pilot recalls well before F/A recalls.

 

[TomBodet]

I heard parking the jets mostly because of the mil guys taking leave. The leave(while keeping sen) for these guys is easier than sticking around and sitting res in Q gardens and places like that. Rumor is less mil pilots hired by all carriers in the future. Gone too often and usually require more training to fly in this enviroment. That is what the management is saying. Don't go guns on the messenger.

 

[80drvr]

I heard parking the jets mostly because of the mil guys taking leave. The leave(while keeping sen) for these guys is easier than sticking around and sitting res in Q gardens and places like that. Rumor is less mil pilots hired by all carriers in the future. Gone too often and usually require more training to fly in this enviroment. That is what the management is saying. Don't go guns on the messenger.

Where did this come from?

If it is true, maybe it should be a shot across AMR's bow that their pay, benefits and quality of life are not competitive, and those with an option are voting with their feet. Of course, AMR is would be making the situation worse by parking jets and refusing to recall.

This month's seniority list showed 21 unplanned resignations...they can't blame that on MIL Leave.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Guys, it has been almost 5 years since the integration was signed and put into place. Get over it! The people who post here (both AA and TWA) absolutely had nothing to do with it!

Bitching and complaining about the whole AA/TWA mess is not going to change anything and is only going to make you more and more bitter.

Personally getting furloughed from American Airlines was the best thing that ever happened to me. I didn't think so 2 years ago but I do know it now.

 

[mrvmo]

Hey Dangerdick,

What was best for you is of no care to anybody here. You were able to milk a few extra years out of AA because of the buyout which left you furloughed when the job market had picked up considerably.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Hey Dangerdick,

What was best for you is of no care to anybody here. You were able to milk a few extra years out of AA because of the buyout which left you furloughed when the job market had picked up considerably.

See what I mean folks. Mrvmo has let the whole AA/TWA integration turn him into a miserable, bitter, unhappy person.

FYI MrVmo I have a great job now and will never go back to AA. If your future includes going back to AA then great but I have no use for that airline anymore.

And by the way I didn't "milk anything". I was a line pilot at AA until I was furloughed in seniority order. I am sorry that you hit the street a few years before I did but I had nothing to do with you furlough nor your sorry life.

 

[mrvmo]

DangerDumbF*%k,

Yes you are correct...............excuse me so I can end it all by jumping off my roof.:bawling:

PS Your milking another few years had everything to do with us. You would have been gone within months without us below you. Also we still don't care about your plans.

 

[Eagle-ista]

Perhaps APA should have integrated Eagle when they had the chance back in Sept, 2002. John Darrah said it was a priority back then. Then AE and TWA would have shared the brunt of the furlough and AA guys would by ATR FOs in SJU!

 

[Dangerkitty]

DangerDumbF*%k,

Yes you are correct...............excuse me so I can end it all by jumping off my roof.:bawling:

PS Your milking another few years had everything to do with us. You would have been gone within months without us below you. Also we still don't care about your plans.

I guess when you can't talk intelligently or have something worth of value to say you just sling insults and nothing more. I guess you are still upset after I made you look like a fool time and time again on the old Calforums board.

Had AA not bought TWA I might have been furloughed however I might not have. To say that TWA was an albatross around AMR's neck after 9/11 was/is an understatement. The buyout should have been cancelled then but Don Carty was too stubborn to listen to reason.

It is all a moot point now. I am very happy the way things have turned out and as I have stated before the furlough was the best thing that has happened to me in a long time. I am sorry to see that you are still very bitter and can't get over the hatred of people like me and the other Native AA'ers. Especially over something we had no control over.

Tell me MrVmo should I have been furloughed prior to you? What would you have liked to see happen so that your feelings wouldn't have gotten hurt and made you into a miserable pathetic little man?

 

[AA717driver]

Tom Bodet--Interesting thought about hiring fewer mil pilots. The ANG/Reserve component of the "total force" (yeah, I know it's soooo 80's ) was designed to fight the Soviets. Running guard units to the desert three or four times a year is draining. Doing it with no end in sight will damage a lot of families and businesses.

Eagle-ista--The concept of "One-list" became roadkill once it was presented to the Eagle MEC. I thought something could have been worked out. Oh well. But that was the same MEC that assured its members that not one flowback would see a new CRJ. That was right after they turned down a deal offered by ther APA BOD to limit the number of flowbacks to 125. Oops!

I'm personally very sorry to see Eagle pilot's careers stunted like they have been due to the flowbacks.

mrvmo--I hope you didn't actually believe what Arthur and Headcase were telling you during the integration? You want to stir up $h!t, go to C&R. TC

 

[TomBodet]

AArogance

I thought BAAck when Eagle first bought by AMR the Eagles were in APA. APA didn't want one list. Seems like to me if they hadn't been so AArogant they would have mAAde one list when it was all Metro's. I guess you reAAp whAAt you sow. To "smAArt" for their own good.There aren't that many flow backs. Only a few hundered. A lot less than on the street..

 

[CSY Mon]

I thought BAAck when Eagle first bought by AMR the Eagles were in APA. APA didn't want one list.

Wrong on all counts. Check facts before posting,

 

[TomBodet]

Wrong on all counts. Check facts before posting,

Wrong? AMR bought its first Eagle back in 1986 or 1987 from Air Midwest. Second Eagle not long after. That one was Air Virginia. Combined them into Nashville Eagle. Bought Command Airways in 1991. Changed the name to Flagship airlines. There was a total of a little over 100 pilots in 1988 when I was hire. I still have the stupid APA pin. Rich Lavoy(AP Pres) and Brian Mayhew(VP, I think) screwed the Nashville Pilots by signing a contract when Eagle APA pilots had a strike vote.
You prove it different!
So, CHECK your "FACTS"!!!

 

[CSY Mon]

As long as I have been around, Eagle has been ALPA...Fact.
APA has been for a joint seniority list for quite a while...Fact.

Don't know about what happened back in 1986, or 1956 for that matter.

 

[TomBodet]

How old are you? 15?

As long as I have been around, Eagle has been ALPA...Fact.
APA has been for a joint seniority list for quite a while...Fact.

That is not anybodys fault you are only 16. If you are an AA pilot ask some of your buddies about Eagle being in APA. HINT: They have to older than you..<--- Never mind, I see you are a "Freight Dog Extraordiaire". So, WTF do you know about Eagle, some place I worked for over 19 years!!
FACT: Nashville Eagle was in APA! I paid my 2% dues!
FACT: Flagship Airlines was in APA! Again, I paid my 2% dues!
FACT: Eagle wanted AA to merge the two lists back in the late 80's!
FACT: APA didn't want Eagle on the senioirty their list!
FACT: Today, thanks in part to APA, Eagle is growing because APA didn't want to have an Eagle pilot on their list!
That was the best thing that could happen for Eagle! If it were "one" list today, APA would have a lot more control of the "smaller" jet flying! But APA is wAAyyy too smart for that!!
End of FACTS!!!
Sorry to spank you, but you needed it! Besides, that hurt me more than it hurt you!

 

[pkober]

Draginass,

I don't remember champange corks popping in the TWA crew room. Were you in the crew room? Most of us wern't too happy, just like most of you.

I agree with the stop whining, on both sides. I'm just happy I've got an option about having to go back to AA.

CLAMBAKE

 

[WyoHerkdriver]

Why would you want to go back to AA? Depending on when you were furloughed by AA, you could very well be a captain at CAL before being recalled. I have been out for four years now and I figure that it will be at least another six years before they guys in my seniority range are recalled.