AA makes offer to the APA----and it's.....well....uhhh

[Captzaahlie]

Profit sharing or pounding sand, its your choice Dougie & Kirby

 

[General Lee]

Profit sharing or pounding sand, its your choice Dougie & Kirby

But Parker says ""We just think it's an inefficient way to pay team members...."



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Flopgut]

Think he was misquoted. What he more likely said was "it's very inefficient to pay team members"

 

[johnsonrod]

If you give up scope you can never get it back!!!! That should be a non-starter. But I guess Dougie really wants to find a place for those upcoming MRJs...

 

[pave driver]

AAG pay rates proposed do cover what Delta pays it's pilots plus profit sharing just looking at the pay rate per hour when compared to how Delta pays profit sharing. If AAG makes another 500 million in the 4th quarter the pay rate of 219/hour for group 2 Captains is 10/hour over Delta that equals Delta pay plus their profit sharing. BUT, the devil is in the details. All the other QOL item needs improvement such as min day, scope, better rules for our reserves, etc. APA is still negotiating. This first offer is just smoke and mirror display from Parker, Kirby and Glass. We shall see.

 

[General Lee]

AAG pay rates proposed do cover what Delta pays it's pilots plus profit sharing just looking at the pay rate per hour when compared to how Delta pays profit sharing. If AAG makes another 500 million in the 4th quarter the pay rate of 219/hour for group 2 Captains is 10/hour over Delta that equals Delta pay plus their profit sharing. BUT, the devil is in the details. All the other QOL item needs improvement such as min day, scope, better rules for our reserves, etc. APA is still negotiating. This first offer is just smoke and mirror display from Parker, Kirby and Glass. We shall see.

Yeah......okay Doug....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[aa73]

GL,

Not sure why you seem to be taking it personally but we are AGREEING with you that AA's proposal falls seriously short of an ILC, much less what Delta has. Trust me, we don't want Delta's current contract - we want Delta's current contract plus around 20% more in EVERY area.

In other words, we want to lead the industry for once.

We're right there with ya in criticizing what AA pushed in front of us. We are not attacking your beloved airline.

Just so we're clear.

73

 

[Bringupthebird]

Historically airlines have lost more than they have made in profit. I would be more concerned with protections when the prosperity bubble bursts. Giving away scope just makes the bad times last longer for the pilots affected. Don't be too fixated on book rates because airplanes parked in the desert don't pay anything.

 

[dalad]

AAG pay rates proposed do cover what Delta pays it's pilots plus profit sharing just looking at the pay rate per hour when compared to how Delta pays profit sharing. If AAG makes another 500 million in the 4th quarter the pay rate of 219/hour for group 2 Captains is 10/hour over Delta that equals Delta pay plus their profit sharing. BUT, the devil is in the details. All the other QOL item needs improvement such as min day, scope, better rules for our reserves, etc. APA is still negotiating. This first offer is just smoke and mirror display from Parker, Kirby and Glass. We shall see.

WRONG!!! My profit sharing for this year is going to be equal to 2 months pay. More than a piddly 10 bucks an hour. I've seen forecast numbers for next year for as much as 6 months pay. It increases exponentially above the $2.5 billion.

 

[The Drizzle]

historically airlines have lost more than they have made in profit. I would be more concerned with protections when the prosperity bubble bursts. Giving away scope just makes the bad times last longer for the pilots affected. Don't be too fixated on book rates because airplanes parked in the desert don't pay anything.

amen.