AA announces recall

[AA717driver]

Think the A-plan will hang on that long, B6? TC

 

[TWA Dude]

As usual, AA waits until everyone else is recalling and then some to start its recalls. Can't AA ever be a leader rather than a follower?

 

[aa73]

As usual, AA waits until everyone else is recalling and then some to start its recalls. Can't AA ever be a leader rather than a follower?

Are you kidding? That would be breaking ranks with 75 years of history!

Good news for all of us, active or furloughed. I was previously saying that it would be two more years before we started seeing recalls because I was fed up with being optimistic. Figures!

I think they came up with 10/month simply because they can't handle more than that at the schoolhouse, what with all the instructors that were let go. As was mentioned previously, they will have to go through about 100/month just to get the 10. We'll see.

To those that come back, welcome! And to those that bypass, can't say I blame you.

regards to all,
73

 

[glasspilot1]

I think they came up with 10/month simply because they can't handle more than that at the schoolhouse, what with all the instructors that were let go.

I think the 10 number is just a wag because they had to give us SOME number. They will bring back what they need, month to month. Which is good. 'cause I think they'll need more than 10.

 

[magrs]

With the current contract, what does an 8th year f/o on the 80 make these days?

 

[instructordude]

Good news for everybody. I wonder how large a stampede from the LCC's (JB, Airtran, etc..) will be?

 

[Andy]

With the current contract, what does an 8th year f/o on the 80 make these days?

$99/hr

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/legacy/american.html

 

[Andy]

Would be great to get some accurate retirement info as if we can assume 500/yr and figure a 3:1 recall ratio... it could be inside of 14 months before they "hire" again..

From another board:
Here is the retirement schedule for AA:

Year Total
10/14/2006 - 12/31/2006 60
01/01/2007 - 12/31/2007 281
01/01/2008 - 12/31/2008 402
01/01/2009 - 12/31/2009 405
01/01/2010 - 12/31/2010 363
01/01/2011 - 12/31/2011 318
01/01/2012 - 12/31/2012 312
01/01/2013 - 12/31/2013 388
01/01/2014 - 12/31/2014 478
01/01/2015 - 12/31/2015 571
01/01/2016 - 12/31/2016 628
01/01/2017 - 12/31/2017 683
01/01/2018 - 12/31/2018 733
01/01/2019 - 12/31/2019 733
01/01/2020 - 12/31/2020 744
01/01/2021 - 12/31/2021 718
01/01/2022 - 12/31/2022 595
01/01/2023 - 12/31/2023 503
01/01/2024 - 12/31/2024 479
01/01/2025 - 12/31/2025 412
01/01/2026 - 12/31/2026 442h

 

[75M]

Good news for everybody. I wonder how large a stampede from the LCC's (JB, Airtran, etc..) will be?

I don't think it will be a stampede. AA hasn't furloghed a 2-21/2 years. That puts those guys (possibly) in the left seat somewhere else. By the time they get to the early furloughees, I think most will be pretty entrenched somewhere else.

I do think the flowbees will rush back to AA as they are in a good position to do so.

 

[pipe]

Good news for everybody. I wonder how large a stampede from the LCC's (JB, Airtran, etc..) will be?

Anyone that goes back to AA from one of those jobs should be summarily dismissed on psychological grounds.

PIPE

 

[satpak77]

wonder how many ex AA'ers are at SWA or JBLU? CAL?

I don't work at any of the above, but sitting on the sidelines, leaving those companies to go back to AA seems like a huge dice roll.

 

[B6Driver]

Good news for everybody. I wonder how large a stampede from the LCC's (JB, Airtran, etc..) will be?

Zero if not close to it.

 

[Gorilla]

As mentioned, a modest number of FO's have quit. A 15 year FO will walk away with a B-fund valued at ~$200,000... a nice wad of cash for a house, or some action in Las Vegas. Most of those who've quit have something on the side, like real estate, and are going to another carrier as well. Abuse AMR, I don't care, but we still have a kick-butt retirement, and that will keep guys hanging on.

I think the recall/turndown ratio will be more like 5:1, 5 bypasses for every acceptance. So the 10/month will really go through 50. That's just my guess. Unfortunately that means several more years before they get through the list, but I'll bet the 10/month will change quickly.

 

[pkober]

It's good to see some people will return to work. I wish them luck.

Does the "s%^t sandwich" (AA term) Supp CC require all TWA'ers to be recalled to STL?

 

[instructordude]

wonder how many ex AA'ers are at SWA or JBLU? CAL?

I don't work at any of the above, but sitting on the sidelines, leaving those companies to go back to AA seems like a huge dice roll.

Lonely over there isn't it?

 

[mosdef]

Does AA have a longevity clause or do go back to the pay scale you left at?

 

[AA717driver]

pkober--No. Needs of the service. You can bid to STL whenever--if you don't have any reinstatement rights, there's nothing stopping you.

mosdef--There is no longevity for pay accrued while on furlough.

Gorilla--You're right about the retirement. That's been the carrot that's kept AA pilots putting up with all the B.S. over the years.

But how long will it last? How much will APA have to give up over the years to keep it? I would rather have the option to transition to a self-directed plan that is cheaper for AA and safer for me. I'd hate to spend the next 12 years looking over my shoulder "hoping" the A plan sticks around. JMO.TC

P.S.--Someone mentioned age 65. I think AMR knows it's coming and they waited as absolutely long as they could before starting to recall at this minimal number.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Good analysis....

pkober--No. Needs of the service. You can bid to STL whenever--if you don't have any reinstatement rights, there's nothing stopping you.

mosdef--There is no longevity for pay accrued while on furlough.

Gorilla--You're right about the retirement. That's been the carrot that's kept AA pilots putting up with all the B.S. over the years.

But how long will it last? How much will APA have to give up over the years to keep it? I would rather have the option to transition to a self-directed plan that is cheaper for AA and safer for me. I'd hate to spend the next 12 years looking over my shoulder "hoping" the A plan sticks around. JMO.TC

P.S.--Someone mentioned age 65. I think AMR knows it's coming and they waited as absolutely long as they could before starting to recall at this minimal number.

-All the fences have come down as far as bases. It's needs of the company which is more efficient for the company and better for the pilot group.

-Longevity: seniority is frozen when furloughed and starts again upon return. After the furlough of the early 1990s, the pilots returned as stated above, but with the fisrt contract (1994 or 1995) the pilots received credit for their furlough time. Some went from 2 -3 yr. pay to 5 -6 yr. pay. That was quite a jump back then as the 5 yr. mark was a bigger increase in the pay scale. I doubt that will happen this time around with the furloughees as there are so many and it is a different time in the industry.

Retirement: That is probably the biggest carrot to return to AMR. I agree with TC, it would be better to freeze the current plan and start with a Direct Account Plan (DAP) type of retirement. The would take the concern of loosing the retirement or being at the mercy of the company vs. having the money in your own, untouchable, plan.

Recall delays: Age 65 is a factor that must be in play at Center Pork IV. Plus, they shrink the company on the short term to have less expenses, show a profit and reward all the upper- and mid-level management types. It's the AAmerican dream.

 

[Uniform Shop]

It's the AAmerican dream.

With all that time you've been spending on your boat it really has been the American dream. Or is that the Allegiant dream? One of those anyway.

I find it's better to work for as many airlines and fly as many airplanes as you can so you can really tone those flying skills. :nuts:

 

[satpak77]

Lonely over there isn't it?

what are you? stalking me?

moron