AA announces recall

[AHP-TWAMaddog]

APA mail blast!

13OCT06/1407
******************AMERICAN AIRLINES AVIATORS******************
IN JANUARY, WE WILL BEGIN RECALLING PILOTS AT A RATE OF ABOUT
10 A MONTH. THIS RECALL IS DRIVEN PRIMARILY BY ATTRITION. IT =87
DOES NOT MEAN WE/LL BE INCREASING OUR SCHEDULE NEXT YEAR, AS
NEXT YEAR/S OPERATION WILL BE ABOUT THE SAME AS 2006. THE
PILOTS THAT WE ARE BRINGING BACK WILL HELP FILL IN SOME OF THE
GAPS LEFT BY PILOTS WHO ARE LEAVING THE COMPANY OR RETIRING.

A FINAL NUMBER OF RECALLS WILL DEPEND ON ATTRITION LEVELS THAT
WE/RE MONITORING CLOSELY. WE/LL BEGIN SENDING RECALL LETTERS TO
PILOTS IN SENIORITY ORDER IN THE COMING DAYS. DETAILS WILL BE
POSTED ON AAPILOTS WHEN A FINAL LIST HAS BEEN CONFIRMED.

WE ARE COMMITTED TO BUILDING A COMPETITIVE AIRLINE THAT IS
POSITIONED FOR LONG-TERM SUCCESS AND GROWTH. I KNOW YOU WILL
JOIN US IN WELCOMING OUR RECALLED PILOTS BACK TO OUR COCKPITS.

REGARDS, MARK

Grats to those going back!

Maddog

 

[TV9Driver]

only about 1,600 more to go till I get my call!! whoop-de-friggin' do!

good news though for those getting the call!

 

[viking737]

It will probably take 100 calls to get the first 10.......

 

[GuppyWN]

The memo stated "for those retiring or leaving the company." I don't have a clue how things are at AA. Do you have guys flat out quitting?

No jab, just curious.

Gup[

 

[MD80DRVR]

I bet in the beginning, most guys will accept the call. I think as they get a little further down the list, they will get a lot more passes.

 

[TV9Driver]

i've heard rumors that f/o's have been quitting - but I have no proof of that. But AA/TWA has a lot of retirees for the forseeable future - something like 350-500 a year for a long time. Does someone have any current info?

 

[magrs]

Kev,

I think the numbers creep up to almost 500+ a year after 2009.

If the other airlines are any indication, it is running about 15 - 1 recall/accept.

I figure they'll go through 100+ numbers each month they recall.

 

[FLYnMONKEYS]

Going back to AA will be a huge step back for many. Kind of risky going back to a company that is so repressive and cares so little about its employees.

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

i've heard rumors that f/o's have been quitting - but I have no proof of that. But AA/TWA has a lot of retirees for the forseeable future - something like 350-500 a year for a long time. Does someone have any current info?

There have been quite a few newhires at UPS that have quit AA and many more who were furloughed.

 

[stlflyguy]

only about 1,600 more to go till I get my call!! whoop-de-friggin' do!

good news though for those getting the call!

Great, only a friggin' 160 months to go until I'm there with you.

stlflyguy

 

[furloughfodder]

<sarcasm> Hopfully that age 65 rule passes so we can squash this for another 5 years. </sarcasm>

 

[HA25]

I just got word from my pal on this too! Great news from AMR finally!

I'm wondering how many they'll have to recall to get their 10.. 25, 30? God knows maybe 1/2 of them are out of aviation and the other 1/2 are at SWA or Fedex, etc..

Would be great to get some accurate retirement info as if we can assume 500/yr and figure a 3:1 recall ratio... it could be inside of 14 months before they "hire" again.. assuming they keep their current schedule. At some point of course, there will be eventual section 6 and the hopeful improvement in work rules that I still think is going to come back to the mainline carriers, even if it takes 5-7 more years.

Eitherway... good news.

 

[AMRCostUnit]

I believe there were 43 F/O's that resigned last year.

Unit

 

[stlflyguy]

I just got word from my pal on this too! Great news from AMR finally!

I'm wondering how many they'll have to recall to get their 10.. 25, 30? God knows maybe 1/2 of them are out of aviation and the other 1/2 are at SWA or Fedex, etc..

Would be great to get some accurate retirement info as if we can assume 500/yr and figure a 3:1 recall ratio... it could be inside of 14 months before they "hire" again.. assuming they keep their current schedule. At some point of course, there will be eventual section 6 and the hopeful improvement in work rules that I still think is going to come back to the mainline carriers, even if it takes 5-7 more years.

Eitherway... good news.

And then comes the reshuffle of the seniority list when the TWA suits are refiled...

stlflyguy

 

[AA717driver]

Put me down as a BY-Frickin'-PASS! TC

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

I belive it was 44

The memo stated "for those retiring or leaving the company." I don't have a clue how things are at AA. Do you have guys flat out quitting?

No jab, just curious.


Gup[

The APA website has a list of the retirements and resignations. I believe there were 44 resignations that were not considered early retirements. The was an age sixty retirement column and another coulmn of early retirements, then a resignation column of about 44.

 

[Atccfi]

Put me down as a BY-Frickin'-PASS! TC

how long can you "BY-Frickin'-PASS" ?

 

[trnsprt]

3 lovely years.

 

[AA717driver]

That's 3 years AFTER the last furloughee has been offered the chance to come back. If you don't want to come back for 10 years, I don't think that'll be a problem. TC

 

[B6Driver]

That's 3 years AFTER the last furloughee has been offered the chance to come back. If you don't want to come back for 10 years, I don't think that'll be a problem. TC

Thats my plan and I don't even need 10, only 6.5 years till I hit 50.

 

[AA717driver]

Think the A-plan will hang on that long, B6? TC

 

[TWA Dude]

As usual, AA waits until everyone else is recalling and then some to start its recalls. Can't AA ever be a leader rather than a follower?

 

[aa73]

As usual, AA waits until everyone else is recalling and then some to start its recalls. Can't AA ever be a leader rather than a follower?

Are you kidding? That would be breaking ranks with 75 years of history!

Good news for all of us, active or furloughed. I was previously saying that it would be two more years before we started seeing recalls because I was fed up with being optimistic. Figures!

I think they came up with 10/month simply because they can't handle more than that at the schoolhouse, what with all the instructors that were let go. As was mentioned previously, they will have to go through about 100/month just to get the 10. We'll see.

To those that come back, welcome! And to those that bypass, can't say I blame you.

regards to all,
73

 

[glasspilot1]

I think they came up with 10/month simply because they can't handle more than that at the schoolhouse, what with all the instructors that were let go.

I think the 10 number is just a wag because they had to give us SOME number. They will bring back what they need, month to month. Which is good. 'cause I think they'll need more than 10.

 

[magrs]

With the current contract, what does an 8th year f/o on the 80 make these days?

 

[instructordude]

Good news for everybody. I wonder how large a stampede from the LCC's (JB, Airtran, etc..) will be?

 

[Andy]

With the current contract, what does an 8th year f/o on the 80 make these days?

$99/hr

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/legacy/american.html

 

[Andy]

Would be great to get some accurate retirement info as if we can assume 500/yr and figure a 3:1 recall ratio... it could be inside of 14 months before they "hire" again..

From another board:
Here is the retirement schedule for AA:

Year Total
10/14/2006 - 12/31/2006 60
01/01/2007 - 12/31/2007 281
01/01/2008 - 12/31/2008 402
01/01/2009 - 12/31/2009 405
01/01/2010 - 12/31/2010 363
01/01/2011 - 12/31/2011 318
01/01/2012 - 12/31/2012 312
01/01/2013 - 12/31/2013 388
01/01/2014 - 12/31/2014 478
01/01/2015 - 12/31/2015 571
01/01/2016 - 12/31/2016 628
01/01/2017 - 12/31/2017 683
01/01/2018 - 12/31/2018 733
01/01/2019 - 12/31/2019 733
01/01/2020 - 12/31/2020 744
01/01/2021 - 12/31/2021 718
01/01/2022 - 12/31/2022 595
01/01/2023 - 12/31/2023 503
01/01/2024 - 12/31/2024 479
01/01/2025 - 12/31/2025 412
01/01/2026 - 12/31/2026 442h

 

[75M]

Good news for everybody. I wonder how large a stampede from the LCC's (JB, Airtran, etc..) will be?

I don't think it will be a stampede. AA hasn't furloghed a 2-21/2 years. That puts those guys (possibly) in the left seat somewhere else. By the time they get to the early furloughees, I think most will be pretty entrenched somewhere else.

I do think the flowbees will rush back to AA as they are in a good position to do so.

 

[pipe]

Good news for everybody. I wonder how large a stampede from the LCC's (JB, Airtran, etc..) will be?

Anyone that goes back to AA from one of those jobs should be summarily dismissed on psychological grounds.

PIPE