AA announces recall

[satpak77]

wonder how many ex AA'ers are at SWA or JBLU? CAL?

I don't work at any of the above, but sitting on the sidelines, leaving those companies to go back to AA seems like a huge dice roll.

 

[B6Driver]

Good news for everybody. I wonder how large a stampede from the LCC's (JB, Airtran, etc..) will be?

Zero if not close to it.

 

[Gorilla]

As mentioned, a modest number of FO's have quit. A 15 year FO will walk away with a B-fund valued at ~$200,000... a nice wad of cash for a house, or some action in Las Vegas. Most of those who've quit have something on the side, like real estate, and are going to another carrier as well. Abuse AMR, I don't care, but we still have a kick-butt retirement, and that will keep guys hanging on.

I think the recall/turndown ratio will be more like 5:1, 5 bypasses for every acceptance. So the 10/month will really go through 50. That's just my guess. Unfortunately that means several more years before they get through the list, but I'll bet the 10/month will change quickly.

 

[pkober]

It's good to see some people will return to work. I wish them luck.

Does the "s%^t sandwich" (AA term) Supp CC require all TWA'ers to be recalled to STL?

 

[instructordude]

wonder how many ex AA'ers are at SWA or JBLU? CAL?

I don't work at any of the above, but sitting on the sidelines, leaving those companies to go back to AA seems like a huge dice roll.

Lonely over there isn't it?

 

[mosdef]

Does AA have a longevity clause or do go back to the pay scale you left at?

 

[AA717driver]

pkober--No. Needs of the service. You can bid to STL whenever--if you don't have any reinstatement rights, there's nothing stopping you.

mosdef--There is no longevity for pay accrued while on furlough.

Gorilla--You're right about the retirement. That's been the carrot that's kept AA pilots putting up with all the B.S. over the years.

But how long will it last? How much will APA have to give up over the years to keep it? I would rather have the option to transition to a self-directed plan that is cheaper for AA and safer for me. I'd hate to spend the next 12 years looking over my shoulder "hoping" the A plan sticks around. JMO.TC

P.S.--Someone mentioned age 65. I think AMR knows it's coming and they waited as absolutely long as they could before starting to recall at this minimal number.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Good analysis....

pkober--No. Needs of the service. You can bid to STL whenever--if you don't have any reinstatement rights, there's nothing stopping you.

mosdef--There is no longevity for pay accrued while on furlough.

Gorilla--You're right about the retirement. That's been the carrot that's kept AA pilots putting up with all the B.S. over the years.

But how long will it last? How much will APA have to give up over the years to keep it? I would rather have the option to transition to a self-directed plan that is cheaper for AA and safer for me. I'd hate to spend the next 12 years looking over my shoulder "hoping" the A plan sticks around. JMO.TC

P.S.--Someone mentioned age 65. I think AMR knows it's coming and they waited as absolutely long as they could before starting to recall at this minimal number.

-All the fences have come down as far as bases. It's needs of the company which is more efficient for the company and better for the pilot group.

-Longevity: seniority is frozen when furloughed and starts again upon return. After the furlough of the early 1990s, the pilots returned as stated above, but with the fisrt contract (1994 or 1995) the pilots received credit for their furlough time. Some went from 2 -3 yr. pay to 5 -6 yr. pay. That was quite a jump back then as the 5 yr. mark was a bigger increase in the pay scale. I doubt that will happen this time around with the furloughees as there are so many and it is a different time in the industry.

Retirement: That is probably the biggest carrot to return to AMR. I agree with TC, it would be better to freeze the current plan and start with a Direct Account Plan (DAP) type of retirement. The would take the concern of loosing the retirement or being at the mercy of the company vs. having the money in your own, untouchable, plan.

Recall delays: Age 65 is a factor that must be in play at Center Pork IV. Plus, they shrink the company on the short term to have less expenses, show a profit and reward all the upper- and mid-level management types. It's the AAmerican dream.

 

[Uniform Shop]

It's the AAmerican dream.

With all that time you've been spending on your boat it really has been the American dream. Or is that the Allegiant dream? One of those anyway.

I find it's better to work for as many airlines and fly as many airplanes as you can so you can really tone those flying skills. :nuts:

 

[satpak77]

Lonely over there isn't it?

what are you? stalking me?

moron

 

[yaks]

"Anyone that goes back to AA from one of those jobs should be summarily dismissed on psychological grounds."

PIPE

From union message board:

"I am a trapped member of the furloughed masses at an ‘inset name here’ low cost carrier with the word “blue” in the title.

No real contract or work rules exist and abysmal wages prevail.

I am young, and although the first if any responses to this thread will likely be; “get out and switch careers” or “stop flying for peanuts you are bringing us down” I would like to avoid this discussion of the obvious in exchange for this line of thought if only for a moment.

If I ever have the opportunity to accept a recall from AA, it will benefit me to do so almost immediately from a wage, and career earning potential perspective.

I will accept this recall if offered. In short, I am in waiting. Enough said"

and:

"I look forward to the day when I get the phone call/letter/email or whatever to come back to AA."


PIPE,

There is your answer. I too work at an LCC and believe me, the job isn't as good.

 

[pipe]

"Anyone that goes back to AA from one of those jobs should be summarily dismissed on psychological grounds."

PIPE

From union message board:

"I am a trapped member of the furloughed masses at an ‘inset name here’ low cost carrier with the word “blue” in the title.

No real contract or work rules exist and abysmal wages prevail.

I am young, and although the first if any responses to this thread will likely be; “get out and switch careers” or “stop flying for peanuts you are bringing us down” I would like to avoid this discussion of the obvious in exchange for this line of thought if only for a moment.

If I ever have the opportunity to accept a recall from AA, it will benefit me to do so almost immediately from a wage, and career earning potential perspective.

I will accept this recall if offered. In short, I am in waiting. Enough said"

and:

"I look forward to the day when I get the phone call/letter/email or whatever to come back to AA."


PIPE,

There is your answer. I too work at an LCC and believe me, the job isn't as good.

Okay. I shouldn't have said "anyone". If it's better for you, it's better for you. I hope that I am senior to you at AA so that my "pass" will get you there sooner. Best of luck.

PIPE

 

[FreightGod]

Going back to AA will be a huge step back for many. Kind of risky going back to a company that is so repressive and cares so little about its employees.

Try flying for a non-sced with no contract, no work rules, shoddy maintenance and 40 hour duty days with low pay.

AA does not look too bad then, I will pick up the phone when it rings.

 

[jwadtw]

I was stunned at how quickly Northwest got to me when they started recalling. I was about 400 from the top of the list and they got to me trying to fill their first 50 recall positions.

We have a 30/60/90 day deferral option and I took the 90 day deferral. I didn't want to throw away my current job, which pays the bills and provides benefits, for NWA after they recalled and then re-furloughed last year.

It's working out to be a pretty good recall system, allowing pilots who are on the street or in a really bad job to go back, while others who are fairly secure can hold back for a little more seniority and future furlough protection, or take an alternate career path altogether.

I did learn to look out for number one, because no one else is. Good luck to all!

 

[instructordude]

what are you? stalking me?

moron

No I agree with you and was saying that you and I are in the same boat, that is the sidelines. I want in the game now.