A Southwest pilot perspective

[waveflyer]

What is missing is that it's not a gun GARY'S pointing it's the reality that this deal gets a LOT less profitable if every work group goes exercises the full length of their PA's. So it's back to history- Steven's aviation had every legal recourse available to take SWA to court- but instead the Malice in Dallas ensued and a mutually beneficial agreement was had that didn't include the complete waste of paying lawyers.
We are the highest paid employees on the property, Gary asked us to come to an agreement- it's our responsibility to set that example for other work groups.
Again, Gary doesn't have a gun- drawing it out just creates a less valuable deal and natural consequences will occur. But good lord- no one is shooting anyone.

 

[Hamburger]

Instead of hearing that Fornaro sold ATN to SWA, instead he announced that ATN had bought Great Lakes Airlines. SWA was nowhere in the mix. Further, he was commited to keeping all the employees and providing "fair and equitable" integration.

Your definition of "fair and equitable" in this scenario is that Great Lakes pilots can't upgrade for 10 years? Got to admit that my "Are they serious?" meter pegged out on that one.

 

[scoreboardII]

and if you found out current upgrade times were 20 years what would you think then?

 

[Hamburger]

and if you found out current upgrade times were 20 years what would you think then?

I might think different. Of course, not being retarded, I understand that your statement is either the work of someone who has no concept whatsoever of fact, or is so woefully committed fabrication, that they don't understand how easy it is to look up fact.

Your '20 year upgrade' may be compelling if it had any basis in reality.

It doesn't.

APC says, as of today, (post merger, post age 65) that the most junior Captain was hired in 2001. How does this reality translate to your "what if" fantasy of 20 year upgrades?

Try to base your position on reality. Adding an extra 10 years to reality. (doubling it!) to make your point is evidence of failure on your part.
If your position had actual merit, you wouldn't need to horribly exaggerate facts to support it.

 

[GuppyWN]

Bro you're bitter and full of hate.

Just so you know we have guys hired early in 2001 that upgraded in just over 6 years while guys hired in the fall of 2001 have yet to upgrade. I blame Age 65 as much as a slow economy.

Gup

 

[pilotyip]

Bro you're bitter and full of hate.

Just so you know we have guys hired early in 2001 that upgraded in just over 6 years while guys hired in the fall of 2001 have yet to upgrade. I blame Age 65 as much as a slow economy.

Gup

He is a liberal, they hate everything, they are victims, and love to give away other people's money.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Ham,

Don't you know any opinion that runs counter to Canyon Blue groupthink qualifies as hate speech?

 

[redflyer65]

Why are you even on these threads? Unbelievable.

 

[Fubijaakr]

To illustrate the patent unfairness that your arrogance deems "fair and equitable." In fact there are several of us who point that out on a daily basis.

But its just like the SWA "culture" to attempt to silence the naysayers.

Guess what? The Emperor has no clothes.

 

[scoreboardII]

I might think different. Of course, not being retarded, I understand that your statement is either the work of someone who has no concept whatsoever of fact, or is so woefully committed fabrication, that they don't understand how easy it is to look up fact.

Your '20 year upgrade' may be compelling if it had any basis in reality.

It doesn't.

APC says, as of today, (post merger, post age 65) that the most junior Captain was hired in 2001. How does this reality translate to your "what if" fantasy of 20 year upgrades?

Try to base your position on reality. Adding an extra 10 years to reality. (doubling it!) to make your point is evidence of failure on your part.
If your position had actual merit, you wouldn't need to horribly exaggerate facts to support it.

Ewww, I sense anger. OK, I''ll play along for another turn or two, but only if it keeps getting under your skin as it appears you are the one who rides the short bus to work.

I guess you don't know we currently have 11 year FO's? And not by choice as in AT's batch of perma-FO's, which there is nothing wrong with, we will have them as well.

So, hows that 10 year upgrade argument now?

I wager we see 15 year FO's long before we see 8 year FO's upgrading again, wanna wager on that?

You really need to be somewhat proficient using a thing called "math" and extrapolate by applying a simple formula to determine what happens in the future, not whats happening today.

If we currently have 10-11 year FO's, with zero growth and only retirements to grease the skids of upgrade, how many years will it take to upgrade? I'll help, the first upgrade won't happen for another 458 days so those 11 year guys will be 12-13 year FO's.

A 7 year FO will upgrade when? 458 days plus number needed to retire equals 9 more years, they will be 16 year FO's. How many years will a 4 year FO need to upgrade? 14 years, an 18 year FO.

Now, how many years will it take a new hire in 2011 to upgrade? 19 years plus or minus.

So how about you come back to the reality of math and open your eyes.

I also wager upgrades will reduce to 10-15 years, but not before the 20 year FO's become a reality.

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[Fubijaakr]

Then I suggest if someone doesn't want a 19 year upgrade they apply somewhere else. Virgin is upgrading quickly.

LOL!

 

[scoreboardII]

Then I suggest if someone doesn't want a 19 year upgrade they apply somewhere else. Virgin is upgrading quickly.

LOL!

we have a resume pile 7000 applications high, no worries here.

 

[redflyer65]

To illustrate the patent unfairness

I think we are all big boys and girls here and don't need your 'illustrations', so why don't you give it a rest already.

You are completely irrelivant, just like Gen and OYS. What a great group you've joined...

 

[Fubijaakr]

I think we are all big boys and girls here.

I disagree. You all act like a bunch of whiny, spoiled brats who are outraged that someone might get a cookie before you do.

Until you all grow up, you'll need adults to point out the fallacy of your Canyon Blue groupthink.

Y'all are just mad because someone keeps showing you up.

(Like that "y'all"? I threw in some SWA "culture" to help you keep up.)

 

[Ty Webb]

Until you all grow up, you'll need adults to point out the fallacy of your Canyon Blue groupthink.

I think it is actually spelled "phallusy".