9e/xj/9l picketing 12/10 mem

[higney85]

I'm sure you are frustrated, and it does show in what you post. Sometimes more than others. As mentioned before you are the only union leader leader that I know of that posts on public forums. I think it would be very difficult to hide those frustrations and remain positive given what you guys have been through, but I do feel words of encouragement may go further in unifying ALL the the pilot groups, and your energies could be used better in the fight with the other two MECs and then toward the company. At times it seems like you are sprinkling gas on an already hot fire.

I am guilty of being a bit "radical" at times. Personally I also believe in doing anything to your best effort to the full extent (obviously while still being "legal"). There is no reason to "lay back" and I know we are in different mindsets with 2 totally different circumstances. Rest assured that I am NOT out to divide us, I know we haven't met but I only do union work to help the group. I get nothing out of it, except a higher handicap on the golf course...

 

[Top Gum]

Wow! One contract, one list, one voice, and only one picketing?

[FONT=&quot]good times[/FONT]

 

[bri5150]

Never met Higney, but it was pretty easy to find out who he is. He seems to me to be a bit radical (by ALPA standards) and very outspoken. Both of these things could very well be a benefit. Shake things up a bit, if you will. He may also be a "Great Guy", I don't know. But he DEFINATLY should not be openly posting his own ideology on public forums. It creates a division between the Higney followers and the MEC as a whole. In political terms, this could be called a COUP or Mutiny in the Navy.

If you do trust him, great! If you like him, that's fine too. If your friends with him, you might ask him to refrain from posting ANY personal opinions on a public forum (FI/APC).

Plus, in my opinion, it makes it look like the Pinnacle MEC has nothing better to do than post on this board. In my fantasy world, I guess I invisioned the union working tirelessly to get this done. The last thing I would want to do when working tirelessly is talk about it more during my off time.

 

[RJLoser]

Plus, in my opinion, it makes it look like the Pinnacle MEC has nothing better to do than post on this board. In my fantasy world, I guess I invisioned the union working tirelessly to get this done. The last thing I would want to do when working tirelessly is talk about it more during my off time.

I believe higney joined FI to explain the facts when individuals were posting ridiculous rumors here.

 

[Flyer1015]

Mesaba's pompous attitude towards Pinnacle

This email says volumes about the Mesaba group:

Mesaba MEC Negotiating Update:

Negotiations for the Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement continue this week in Washington, D.C., and have yielded positive results. During the first ten hours of bargaining, we reached a Tentative Agreement (TA) on Sections 11 (Training & Testing) and 24 (Filling of Vacancies), and continued progress on Sections 25 (Scheduling) and 27 (Insurance Benefits). We believe a TA on the JCBA is within reach by the end of the week.

As some of you may have heard, the Pinnacle MEC is planning a number of informational picketing events commencing on Friday, December 10 in Memphis, TN. We have typically found informational picketing to be very successful when we have reached an impasse during bargaining. However, considering the progress at the bargaining table this week, we believe it will be counter-productive to engage in picketing at this time. While we respect the Pinnacle MEC’s point of view, we are asking all Mesaba pilots to refrain from participating at these events. We need to remain focused on our goal of One Contract for One Seniority List.

Keep drinkin the kool-aid! You "believed" a JCBA was within reach on Nov 15, and it wasn't. Now you believe a JCBA is within reach by the end of the week, I have news for you: it isn't! If your pilot group has any unity and are on the same page as us, then you would picket alongside us!!! I cannot believe the stance your MEC has taken. You should be ashamed of this action, this email!

 

[higney85]

Plus, in my opinion, it makes it look like the Pinnacle MEC has nothing better to do than post on this board. In my fantasy world, I guess I invisioned the union working tirelessly to get this done. The last thing I would want to do when working tirelessly is talk about it more during my off time.

I do apologize spending my off day on the phone, email, and forums dealing with union work. Maybe I can just do some 200% flying and play golf.

This entire situation is turning into a divisive break in the JCBA process. 9E wants it done, XJ wants it done, 9L wants it done. We can all work together and do it, or tear each other apart. The 9E pilots have been in negotiations for years, but this IS a joint deal and outside of section 6. That is known and understood, unfortunately it's the same games at the table. That is what has us fired up.

 

[SEVEN]

This email says volumes about the Mesaba group:



Keep drinkin the kool-aid! You "believed" a JCBA was within reach on Nov 15, and it wasn't. Now you believe a JCBA is within reach by the end of the week, I have news for you: it isn't! If your pilot group has any unity and are on the same page as us, then you would picket alongside us!!! I cannot believe the stance your MEC has taken. You should be ashamed of this action, this email!

Stop beating the dead horse with the picketing. If our MEC thinks it's in the best interest for Mesaba Pilots to refrain from picketing, then I'll take the advice. I'll agree that setting these unreachable deadlines for a TA is getting old. But, this is how the process works unfortunately and we'll just have to continue being patient. Don't forget it's not about you anymore...it's about us and all three pilot groups involved now.

 

[mxaviator]

be patient?!? Umm, it seems they have been. How long have they been working to get a contract? wow.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

We have been patient for 6 years, and nothing has changed!!! Management is up to no good and unfortunately only the 9E pilots see this...I believe in the near future, 9L and XJ will see the light...

 

[SEVEN]

be patient?!? Umm, it seems they have been. How long have they been working to get a contract? wow.

Everyone knows how long it has taken the 9E pilots.....but this merger of the 3 pilot groups is a different ballgame and the timeline for a contract cannot be viewed from the beginning of 9E pilots original negotiation. This should not be hard to understand. I understand how fed up 9E pilots are with management, but this will not happen overnight. I say stop with the stupid unreasonable deadlines and get it done with. When it's done, show the TA to the pilots to vote on.

 

[RJLoser]

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[RJLoser]

We have been patient for 6 years, and nothing has changed!!! Management is up to no good and unfortunately only the 9E pilots see this...I believe in the near future, 9L and XJ will see the light...

Unfortunately, it going to be the light from the bus mgt is throwing them under. Not the 9E pilots as they seem to think.

 

[gojo]

This email says volumes about the Mesaba group:



Keep drinkin the kool-aid! You "believed" a JCBA was within reach on Nov 15, and it wasn't. Now you believe a JCBA is within reach by the end of the week, I have news for you: it isn't! If your pilot group has any unity and are on the same page as us, then you would picket alongside us!!! I cannot believe the stance your MEC has taken. You should be ashamed of this action, this email!

Why start another thread about this. It's all over two other threads and one on another forum. What's the point, other than to try to stir up the hornets nest a little more. Remember, these are not section 6 negotiations right now. The clock started over, and it's only been 60 days or so. You would do well to put the previous 5 years of negotiations behind you and give this a little time. I know your frustrated, heck I would be too, but try not to let that cloud your judgement.

 

[Flyer1015]

In order to guard the hen house, some of the chickens have decided to stand with the fox instead of the other hens.

 

[CptMurf]

be patient?!? Umm, it seems they have been. How long have they been working to get a contract? wow.

About 68 days...