9e/xj/9l picketing 12/10 mem

[Smarta$$]

So he's not responsible for a TA that failed on his watch but the MEC chairman that resigned two years prior to that is??? You guys don't make any sense. Look in the mirror if you want to see why that TA failed.

Actually yes. This process went on for years and many substandard items were agreed to before he was chairman. The vast majority of influence within our union on the contents of TA1 was from our MEM union officials. WG, SR, ZC, JB, and other MEM pilots and union officials shaped that agreement, for the most part. Scott did not have the influence you suggest. Why would the MEC support a TA that can't pass the membership??? Saying that their support might have helped it pass doesn't make the TA and better, it just snows a bunch of sheep into voting for garbage. It was TERRIBLE, and deserved to fail. And supporting it at the MEC level would have been a terrible decision.

 

[RJLoser]

Still tons of sections open!!!!!

 

[belchfire]

All pilots are welcome to come and walk with us. You don't have to work for Pinnacle. Join us in the fight! This week is MEM. Next week, well, don't know that yet. But come and you/we will be glad you did.

You guys doing anything around the 16th?

I'd be happy to carry one of your signs for a few hours if you don't mind a teamster amongst you.

 

[CptMurf]

Still tons of sections open!!!!!

*Yawn*

How come the night before negotiations you flame on what's open? The open sections where emailed to EVERYONE on Sat.

 

[AiRegency]

3 more sections TAd today. Only 4 left.

So how'd we go from 4 sections open to 9 sections open not to mention the possibility of dual qual making it 10 items? I guess because either your sources are unreliable or because your full of krapp. So, three days to close up Compensation, Scheduling, Retirement, Insurance, Vacation, Expenses, Guarantee, Definitions and Duration. What do you bet they don't get it finished... again... within this negotiations extension and (gasp) need another extension? And another extension after that and probably another after that. Sounds like a good time to give the company an incentive to finish! What better way then to start dusting off some picketing permits for the 17th! Time to hit the basterds in New York! I'm sure we'll be seeing you XJ guys there in droves to help patch the rift you created and to actually motivate the company to finish this thing.

 

[CptMurf]

So how'd we go from 4 sections open to 9 sections open not to mention the possibility of dual qual making it 10 items? I guess because either your sources are unreliable or because your full of krapp. So, three days to close up Compensation, Scheduling, Retirement, Insurance, Vacation, Expenses, Guarantee, Definitions and Duration. What do you bet they don't get it finished... again... within this negotiations extension and (gasp) need another extension? And another extension after that and probably another after that. Sounds like a good time to give the company an incentive to finish! What better way then to start dusting off some picketing permits for the 17th! Time to hit the basterds in New York! I'm sure we'll be seeing you XJ guys there in droves to help patch the rift you created and to actually motivate the company to finish this thing.

My source was the JNC update that was emailed to all pilots all groups. I bet they weren't counting the sections that are open until a TA is finished, like Definitions and Duration But if you want to count them go ahead.

73 days doesn't sound too long to me.

I would support it and walk, if National and my MEC supported it. Until they do, I regretfully decline.

 

[1.3XVso]

 

[1.3XVso]

 

[SEVEN]

You guys with your "pie in the sky" delusions of a staple of one pilot group beneath another is absolutely ludicrous. I can't wait to see your faces when the SLI list comes out which is "fair" for ALL groups involved. That's okay though....I understand how jaded most of you are and I'll let you get back to your dreams of a big staple gun.:laugh:

 

[1.3XVso]

Staple you motha p hu k aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa........blap blap

 

[SEVEN]

Staple you motha p hu k aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa........blap blap

You represent your fellow Pinnacle Pilots well. You must be a very responsible, safe, and professional airline pilot. Is this what the 9E HR Department is looking for in applicants?

 

[1.3XVso]

S t a p l e.....snap snap

 

[SEVEN]

S t a p l e.....snap snap

You and your little stapler are liv'n in the Land Of Oz............it's fun to live in fairy tale land with the scarecrow and the tin man.

http://www.randysouders.com/souders1030oz.jpg

 

[CptMurf]

Wouldn't it be funny if Corp changed their minds and transferred all the jets to the XJ certificate? Nothing stops them from doing it. Then how do your comments look?

 

[CptMurf]

Thank goodness ALPA has a merger policy. You might want to read it.

And do me a personal favor...........don't breed!

 

[SEVEN]

Thank goodness ALPA has a merger policy. You might want to read it.

And do me a personal favor...........don't breed!

Most 9E pilots are not familiar with this policy. Can you tell?

 

[xjhawk]

Dont give them any ideas. Next thing we will hear is that they voted out ALPA and since they are no longer ALPA they will not have to adhere to the policy.

 

[1.3XVso]

staple to the bottom of the pit!

 

[PCL_128]

Scott, without a doubt. WG was recalled with good reason. You can't disregard MEC direction as an MEC Officer. You work for the MEC, and you do what they say. WG directly disobeyed the direction provided by the MEC.

In reality, WG is the entire reason that there was the dysfunction on the MEC that lead to a failed TA. He refused to even let the MEC know what our proposals were at the bargaining table. I was on the MEC for three years, and I never once found out what our bargaining positions were. Never once did I see what pay rates we had proposed. The first time I saw anything from the Scheduling section was after it was TA'd. He intentionally kept us in the dark, because he knew that the direction he was taking was not sufficient for the MEC. The end result was that the MEC was not happy with what had been done at the table, and you then had an MEC that wouldn't support the TA that had been reached. Had they been kept in the loop the entire time, from the beginning of negotiations, this wouldn't have been a problem, because they could have steered things back on track. Some of us tried to get rid of WG earlier, but we could never get the votes together. Too many MEC members just trusted him, even though he constantly kept them in the dark. In the end, those guys realized that we were right, and he had to go. Too bad it didn't happen sooner.

On further thought, I want to retract my above comments. In posting the above, I went against exactly what I had said earlier in this thread: "debate the issues, not the people." I should have followed my own advice.

It's been several years since I was on the PCL MEC, and my recollections and perceptions are probably clouded by time. To place blame at the feet of one guy, even if he was the MEC Chairman, just isn't fair. WG made mistakes, of course, but so did the rest of us. He can't be blamed anymore than SE or anyone else. My comments were unfair, and I apologize to WG if he's reading this.

 

[redflyer65]

I'm not saying WG was perfect, but upon reflection he was better at getting things done...in my opinion.

The biggest issues with SE are big ones. Like..

1- Giving the first negotiating team zero additional input from polling.
2- The whole W2 debacle is squarely his issue.
3- Providing zero unity within his own ranks. Talk about a split group.
4- Communication that has been deplorible, causing number 3.

I think he is a smart guy that might be able to turn it around, but he has really dug himself in a whole with his pilot group. There's a growing group that don't believe in him, and by default, don't trust ALPA anymore. This is all his own doing.