9e/xj/9l picketing 12/10 mem

[SEVEN]

Thank goodness ALPA has a merger policy. You might want to read it.

And do me a personal favor...........don't breed!

Most 9E pilots are not familiar with this policy. Can you tell?

 

[xjhawk]

Dont give them any ideas. Next thing we will hear is that they voted out ALPA and since they are no longer ALPA they will not have to adhere to the policy.

 

[1.3XVso]

staple to the bottom of the pit!

 

[PCL_128]

Scott, without a doubt. WG was recalled with good reason. You can't disregard MEC direction as an MEC Officer. You work for the MEC, and you do what they say. WG directly disobeyed the direction provided by the MEC.

In reality, WG is the entire reason that there was the dysfunction on the MEC that lead to a failed TA. He refused to even let the MEC know what our proposals were at the bargaining table. I was on the MEC for three years, and I never once found out what our bargaining positions were. Never once did I see what pay rates we had proposed. The first time I saw anything from the Scheduling section was after it was TA'd. He intentionally kept us in the dark, because he knew that the direction he was taking was not sufficient for the MEC. The end result was that the MEC was not happy with what had been done at the table, and you then had an MEC that wouldn't support the TA that had been reached. Had they been kept in the loop the entire time, from the beginning of negotiations, this wouldn't have been a problem, because they could have steered things back on track. Some of us tried to get rid of WG earlier, but we could never get the votes together. Too many MEC members just trusted him, even though he constantly kept them in the dark. In the end, those guys realized that we were right, and he had to go. Too bad it didn't happen sooner.

On further thought, I want to retract my above comments. In posting the above, I went against exactly what I had said earlier in this thread: "debate the issues, not the people." I should have followed my own advice.

It's been several years since I was on the PCL MEC, and my recollections and perceptions are probably clouded by time. To place blame at the feet of one guy, even if he was the MEC Chairman, just isn't fair. WG made mistakes, of course, but so did the rest of us. He can't be blamed anymore than SE or anyone else. My comments were unfair, and I apologize to WG if he's reading this.

 

[redflyer65]

I'm not saying WG was perfect, but upon reflection he was better at getting things done...in my opinion.

The biggest issues with SE are big ones. Like..

1- Giving the first negotiating team zero additional input from polling.
2- The whole W2 debacle is squarely his issue.
3- Providing zero unity within his own ranks. Talk about a split group.
4- Communication that has been deplorible, causing number 3.

I think he is a smart guy that might be able to turn it around, but he has really dug himself in a whole with his pilot group. There's a growing group that don't believe in him, and by default, don't trust ALPA anymore. This is all his own doing.

 

[blackbox]

You and your little stapler are liv'n in the Land Of Oz............it's fun to live in fairy tale land with the scarecrow and the tin man.

Seven, Are you blind? Can you not see that you are playing into his hands? he is obviously just trying to get a rise out of you, and he is succeeding. haha

Wouldn't it be funny if Corp changed their minds and transferred all the jets to the XJ certificate? Nothing stops them from doing it. Then how do your comments look?

You might think its funny, but highly unlikely. There is a better chance of XJ F/Os get stapled to the bottom. Pinnacle wants to keep props separate from jets. They also want to get rid of the Colgan name after the Buffalo crash. Its much easier to bring the jets over the pinnacle, and merge colgan with Mesaba than it is to do musical planes with all three companies.

 

[CptMurf]

It was much more of a response to talk of unfair integration. Corp bought XJ, not Pinnacle Airlines. It would be just as easy to move planes from 9E to XJ as anything else, and reversing the roles here. That is what we need to correct with the JCBA/SLI.

 

[callowayhd]

Why isnt there a thread where Trans states pilots and Compass pilots are measuring their units? Pinnacle Airlines is not Pinnacle holdings. Mesaba Pinnacle and Colgan are all equals in this deal, so get off your high horse!

 

[PCL_128]

I'm not saying WG was perfect, but upon reflection he was better at getting things done...in my opinion.

The biggest issues with SE are big ones. Like..

1- Giving the first negotiating team zero additional input from polling.
2- The whole W2 debacle is squarely his issue.
3- Providing zero unity within his own ranks. Talk about a split group.
4- Communication that has been deplorible, causing number 3.

I think he is a smart guy that might be able to turn it around, but he has really dug himself in a whole with his pilot group. There's a growing group that don't believe in him, and by default, don't trust ALPA anymore. This is all his own doing.

Where are you getting your information? Were you present for these issues to have first-hand knowledge, or are you going on rumor? It isn't fair to throw SE under the bus. Any mistakes need to be owned by the entire governing body, not just one guy.

 

[blackbox]

CaptMurf,

I am not implying that there will be a staple job at Pinnacle. I think people who are expecting that in for a big disappointment. But as highly unlikely as that is, the chances of jets moving to Mesaba are even less.

Why isnt there a thread where Trans states pilots and Compass pilots are measuring their units? Pinnacle Airlines is not Pinnacle holdings. Mesaba Pinnacle and Colgan are all equals in this deal, so get off your high horse!

Not sure who this was directed at,but I'll answer. Because TSA doesnt plan on merging Compass in with their pilot group. Or at least I have yet to hear anything about that.

 

[CptMurf]

Agreed. On both statements. I wish everyone understood and believed these facts. That was all the comment was meant to imply, nothing more.

Peace