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Deregulation the problem? Have you studied much on the subject of economics, or on the history of the airline industry? Price-fixing, inefficiency, but comparatively higher pilot salaries doesn't equate to economic health and profitability. The biggest difference between that that era and this one is the price of oil.

Oil is only slightly higher (inflation adjusted) than it was when deregulation took full effect. Many of the airplanes are considerably more efficient than those of 1979-80. It ain't the oil -- it's the management, the taxes and user fees, the RJ's, and a weak union. That's why we find ourselves in our present compromising position.

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Hmmm... what happened to raising fares to offset the $110 oil?

Oh I forgot, airline managers slept through Econ 101.
 
Just charge 15 more dollars per ticket, that should help the problem. But nooooo they want to keep it "competitive!" FU**** IDIOTS!!
 
Good to see. Hopefully all the others will follow and keep it.

United Air Raises Fares by Up to $50
Friday March 14, 11:59 am ET
By Adam Schreck, AP Business Writer
United Airlines Increases Fares by Up to $50 Round-Trip, Citing High Fuel Costs NEW YORK (AP) -- United Airlines said Friday it boosted its ticket prices by as much as much as $50 round-trip, raising the stakes in the airline industry's battle against rapidly rising fuel costs.The broad-based domestic increases, which went into effect late Thursday, are based on the length of the flight, meaning that trips of under 500 miles will cost travelers $4 to $10 more round-trip, spokeswoman Robin Urbanski said. Journeys of more than 1,500 miles are now $12 to $50 more expensive than before the increase, she added.
The move comes just a week after the Chicago-based carrier, the second-largest U.S. airline, raised its domestic fuel surcharge by an additional $6 to $10 per round trip, effectively raising fares. United's fuel surcharge now stands at $50 round-trip in markets where the airline does not compete against low-cost carriers, Urbanski said.
"Fuel is our highest expense. The cost of it clearly continues to rise," Urbanski said. "We must be able to pass along these costs just like other businesses do."
As the price of oil has risen, carriers have tried to push more of their fuel costs onto consumers. Some of those increases have stuck, but stiff competition from low-cost airlines such as Southwest Airlines Co. and JetBlue Airways Corp. means many others have been rolled back after competing airlines failed to follow suit.
On Friday morning, the price for a barrel of light, sweet crude for April delivery fell 39 cents to $109.94 on the New York Mercantile Exchange after earlier rising to near its all-time record of $111, set Thursday.
United's latest move is unusual for its size. Most recent fare increases have been limited to about $10 round-trip.
"United has thrown down the gauntlet for this particular increase -- a change of this magnitude across such a wide range (of) cities, with different increase amounts ... and distance is a massive undertaking," Rick Seaney, chief executive of airline ticket pricing Web site FareCompare.com, said in an e-mail.
 
Is it tough to type from the fetal position? Does your managment's footprints show up on the backs of your double breasted blazers?

No moreso then when the colonel is telling you to go scrub the toilets with your toothbrush. But alas, I see you dodged yet another question, so I'll repost it.....

Besides General Lee, (and I don't think he's bragging) please tell me anyone on here who is bragging about the 1.5% pay raise at Delta?

I'll time you with a calender.......

737
 
The airlines that didn't have the cash (or didn't want to gamble) on fuel hedges are the ones most impacted by soaring fuel costs. Those that hedged are going to use their (temporary) cost advantage to their benefit and not raise prices. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me since the hedged airlines can't add capacity in the short term to capitalize on their price advantage anyhow. But they could go along and reap greater profits which would allow them to hedge future fuel purchases.

But that would take some foresight, and who needs that?
 
No moreso then when the colonel is telling you to go scrub the toilets with your toothbrush. But alas, I see you dodged yet another question, so I'll repost it.....

Besides General Lee, (and I don't think he's bragging) please tell me anyone on here who is bragging about the 1.5% pay raise at Delta?

I'll time you with a calender.......

737

The General and I think Micheal707 have pointed out the pay raise they got this year. I'm pretty sure you've pointed it out as well.

I'm not sure why anyone at Delta would brag. If I were you guys, I'd be more P.O.'d at the 1.5% insult than happy about it. The gub'ment gave me over 3.5% this year. I guess since they are kinda responsible for the deficit and weak dollar (therefore inflation) they felt the least they could do was keep up with it.
 
The General and I think Micheal707 have pointed out the pay raise they got this year. I'm pretty sure you've pointed it out as well.
Since, much like a neutered dog, you don't get it.....Let's try it again......Who was B-R-A-G-G-I-N-G?

I'm not sure why anyone at Delta would brag. If I were you guys, I'd be more P.O.'d at the 1.5% insult than happy about it. The gub'ment gave me over 3.5% this year. I guess since they are kinda responsible for the deficit and weak dollar (therefore inflation) they felt the least they could do was keep up with it.
Even an E1 gets a payraise. Something I'm sure mom and dad back home are proud of!;)
What ever are you going to do on that lousy swa first year payrate when you get out of the military? IF you get hired......I mean after all, you're making what 125k a year?

737
 
I hear 1st year SWA guys can do alright. The good news is, 365 days after you start, you pretty much make more than any Delta guy. FO for sure.

By the way, GL was bragging about his "raise."
 
I hear 1st year SWA guys can do alright. The good news is, 365 days after you start, you pretty much make more than any Delta guy. FO for sure.

Then what will you do living off that terrible pay for the first 365 days?

By the way, GL was bragging about his "raise."
Great for him. Anyone else "bragging?" Or are you just continuing to talk out of your arse?
BTW, I'm still not convinced you're a pilot in the military. I mean 20 years, and only 1900 hours?
Is it coffee time yet?

737
 
Then what will you do living off that terrible pay for the first 365 days?


Great for him. Anyone else "bragging?" Or are you just continuing to talk out of your arse?
BTW, I'm still not convinced you're a pilot in
the military. I mean 20 years, and only 1900 hours?
Is it coffee time yet?

737

What does a DAL newhire do during his first year? It's even worse than a SWA guys.

I still haven't been in 20 years. I have a few to go until I retire. Once again, thank you for your concern in my flying hour program.
 
What does a DAL newhire do during his first year? It's even worse than a SWA guys.
Not sure, ask the new guys.

I still haven't been in 20 years. I have a few to go until I retire.
That's alot of asking, "can I get you anything else with your coffee sir?"
Once again, thank you for your concern in my flying hour program.
Always looking out for a wannabe! Just think at your current rate, you should break the 2000 hour mark in about......3 years.

737
 

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