9 Billion Loss in 2008

[Future Furlough]

I don't want a paycut or sudden change but sometimes we have no choice.

Sure there is, get another job. Heck, get another profession.

I'm not saying a paycut is necessary but we have to be responsible in these times. If a paycut is necessary then so be it. Maybe it is time we learned how to live within our means and survive on 75K per year. That is a lot of cash.

You are obviously not married and don't have kids. Someone out there on FI must have the number...How much are airline salaries down, including inflation, since their 1999/2000 highs? Somewhere in the neighborhood of 40-50%?

 

[737 Pylt]

I didn't think Delta FO's made that much. Wow, maybe they are due for another cut.

The good news is you'll never know.

73

 

[Tanker Clown]

The good news is you'll never know.

73

How many times do I have to tell you...Delta is a last resort for me (and for probably a lot of folks there). I'll only go there if the majors aren't hiring.

Heck...for what a DAL FO makes, maybe I'll just take a job at Starbucks. They get about the same pay, plus better medical, 401K, health plan, and tuition assitance.

 

[DonVerita]

Listen guys...

InstructorDude had nothing better to do today than crawl out of his hole and see if he could find the groundhog to admonish him for an extra 7 weeks of winter and therefore the groundhog should take a pay cut due to the extra heating oil required for said predicament.

Having failed at that because the groundhog was at Hooters having lunch...InstructorDude decided to waste our time with his drivel on FI.

I highly doubt he is a Delta pilot or a pilot of any Major airline. He probably got rejected from the Instructor Corps at some non-towered airport out in the middle of nowhere and is now willing to sell his soul to fly Part 135 freight in a Navajo.

One day when/if he sees the groundhog's shadow, he will realize that the rest of us, as Major airline pilots, are not taking any more concessions or workrule changes just to bailout management. Pilots don't chip in for gas.

Management refuses to raise ticket prices.
Management continues to take bonuses.
Therefore Management can deal with these oil prices like every other corporation out there.

 

[737 Pylt]

How many times do I have to tell you...Delta is a last resort for me (and for probably a lot of folks there). I'll only go there if the majors aren't hiring.

Heck...for what a DAL FO makes, maybe I'll just take a job at Starbucks. They get about the same pay, plus better medical, 401K, health plan, and tuition assitance.

:laugh:
LMAO! Like you can get a job at Starbucks! (Hey, at least you have practice from serving coffee to the colonel).
You're barely able to keep your job at McDonalds.

737

 

[instructordude]

Don, you have a bad attitude.

 

[Tanker Clown]

Listen guys...

InstructorDude had nothing better to do today than crawl out of his hole and see if he could find the groundhog to admonish him for an extra 7 weeks of winter and therefore the groundhog should take a pay cut due to the extra heating oil required for said predicament.

Having failed at that because the groundhog was at Hooters having lunch...InstructorDude decided to waste our time with his drivel on FI.

I highly doubt he is a Delta pilot or a pilot of any Major airline. He probably got rejected from the Instructor Corps at some non-towered airport out in the middle of nowhere and is now willing to sell his soul to fly Part 135 freight in a Navajo.

One day when/if he sees the groundhog's shadow, he will realize that the rest of us, as Major airline pilots, are not taking any more concessions or workrule changes just to bailout management. Pilots don't chip in for gas.

Management refuses to raise ticket prices.
Management continues to take bonuses.
Therefore Management can deal with these oil prices like every other corporation out there.

I'm totally gonna call BS on this one. Mgt will come crying and saying they are gonna liquidate. Then the concessions will come with some nonsense about hooking you guys up in the end. I'm putting my money on Delta being the first to capitulate (again).

 

[737 Pylt]

I'm totally gonna call BS on this one. Mgt will come crying and saying they are gonna liquidate. Then the concessions will come with some nonsense about hooking you guys up in the end. I'm putting my money on Delta being the first to capitulate (again).

Then you would lose money.....Again. And on your salary you probably can't afford it.
Us Airways (the old) was the first.
Followed by UAL
Followed by DAL/NWA.
Don't let facts confuse you.

737

 

[Tanker Clown]

Sorry, I didn't mean for the again part to mean that Delta was origninally the first to give concessions. I just meant that you guys are going to give up money...again. This time you'll be the trend setters though. AMR, UAL, CAL, and US Air are all willing to stick it to their mgt. You guys don't have the guts to.

 

[737 Pylt]

Sorry, I didn't mean for the again part to mean that Delta was origninally the first to give concessions. I just meant that you guys are going to give up money...again.

<YAWN>
Blah, blah, blah!
Nice John Kerry approach. Back pedal anyfaster, you might actually trip! Listen to how stupid you sound.

This time you'll be the trend setters though. AMR, UAL, CAL, and US Air are all willing to stick it to their mgt. You guys don't have the guts to.

Maybe. But you'll still be on the outside looking in....But at least you have plenty of coffee serving practice for that new job at starbucks!:beer:
Cheers,

737

 

[jke406]

do you really think you're going to get anything resembling pay restoration? or anything close to what CAL, AA, SWA, etc. are going to get? seriously.

It is nice to see you're so concerned about increasing NWA's pay, though. Maybe you should start with yourself.

 

[Tanker Clown]

Delta guys are bragging about their 1.5% that they got this year....meanwhile, AMR is demanding 53%, UAL telling thier folks to open up section 6 early, and CAL did some picketing this week.

Where was Delta? In the fetal position. As per the norm.

 

[737 Pylt]

Tanker clown/jerk406:
You're like turrets syndrom looking for a person to happen! Do you ever get tired of arguing with yourself.
Hey jerk:
I guess you're tired of flaming the SWA guys about maint, and the NWA guys about what their bringing to the table at the DL/NW dance.
How about this.
Focus on getting a clue about anything, then get back to us later!

Delta guys are bragging about their 1.5% that they got this year

Besides General Lee,please tell me anyone on here who is bragging about the 1.5% pay raise? And don't let facts confuse you. I know its not easy.
737

 

[Tanker Clown]

Is it tough to type from the fetal position? Does your managment's footprints show up on the backs of your double breasted blazers?

 

[Jmoney]

Instructordude.....

Listen guys...

InstructorDude had nothing better to do today than crawl out of his hole and see if he could find the groundhog to admonish him for an extra 7 weeks of winter and therefore the groundhog should take a pay cut due to the extra heating oil required for said predicament.

Having failed at that because the groundhog was at Hooters having lunch...InstructorDude decided to waste our time with his drivel on FI.

I highly doubt he is a Delta pilot or a pilot of any Major airline. He probably got rejected from the Instructor Corps at some non-towered airport out in the middle of nowhere and is now willing to sell his soul to fly Part 135 freight in a Navajo.

One day when/if he sees the groundhog's shadow, he will realize that the rest of us, as Major airline pilots, are not taking any more concessions or workrule changes just to bailout management. Pilots don't chip in for gas.

Management refuses to raise ticket prices.
Management continues to take bonuses.
Therefore Management can deal with these oil prices like every other corporation out there.

Don't buy "Instructordude's" garbage for one second! He doesn't fly where he says he does-only an alter-ego put here for flame-bait!

 

[pipe]

PCL-

Deregulation the problem? Have you studied much on the subject of economics, or on the history of the airline industry? Price-fixing, inefficiency, but comparatively higher pilot salaries doesn't equate to economic health and profitability. The biggest difference between that that era and this one is the price of oil.

Oil is only slightly higher (inflation adjusted) than it was when deregulation took full effect. Many of the airplanes are considerably more efficient than those of 1979-80. It ain't the oil -- it's the management, the taxes and user fees, the RJ's, and a weak union. That's why we find ourselves in our present compromising position.

PIPE

 

[Freight Dog]

Hmmm... what happened to raising fares to offset the $110 oil?

Oh I forgot, airline managers slept through Econ 101.

 

[Flybet3]

Just charge 15 more dollars per ticket, that should help the problem. But nooooo they want to keep it "competitive!" FU**** IDIOTS!!

 

[regionalcap]

Good to see. Hopefully all the others will follow and keep it.

United Air Raises Fares by Up to $50
Friday March 14, 11:59 am ET
By Adam Schreck, AP Business Writer
United Airlines Increases Fares by Up to $50 Round-Trip, Citing High Fuel Costs NEW YORK (AP) -- United Airlines said Friday it boosted its ticket prices by as much as much as $50 round-trip, raising the stakes in the airline industry's battle against rapidly rising fuel costs.The broad-based domestic increases, which went into effect late Thursday, are based on the length of the flight, meaning that trips of under 500 miles will cost travelers $4 to $10 more round-trip, spokeswoman Robin Urbanski said. Journeys of more than 1,500 miles are now $12 to $50 more expensive than before the increase, she added.
The move comes just a week after the Chicago-based carrier, the second-largest U.S. airline, raised its domestic fuel surcharge by an additional $6 to $10 per round trip, effectively raising fares. United's fuel surcharge now stands at $50 round-trip in markets where the airline does not compete against low-cost carriers, Urbanski said.
"Fuel is our highest expense. The cost of it clearly continues to rise," Urbanski said. "We must be able to pass along these costs just like other businesses do."
As the price of oil has risen, carriers have tried to push more of their fuel costs onto consumers. Some of those increases have stuck, but stiff competition from low-cost airlines such as Southwest Airlines Co. and JetBlue Airways Corp. means many others have been rolled back after competing airlines failed to follow suit.
On Friday morning, the price for a barrel of light, sweet crude for April delivery fell 39 cents to $109.94 on the New York Mercantile Exchange after earlier rising to near its all-time record of $111, set Thursday.
United's latest move is unusual for its size. Most recent fare increases have been limited to about $10 round-trip.
"United has thrown down the gauntlet for this particular increase -- a change of this magnitude across such a wide range (of) cities, with different increase amounts ... and distance is a massive undertaking," Rick Seaney, chief executive of airline ticket pricing Web site FareCompare.com, said in an e-mail.

 

[737 Pylt]

Is it tough to type from the fetal position? Does your managment's footprints show up on the backs of your double breasted blazers?

No moreso then when the colonel is telling you to go scrub the toilets with your toothbrush. But alas, I see you dodged yet another question, so I'll repost it.....

Besides General Lee, (and I don't think he's bragging) please tell me anyone on here who is bragging about the 1.5% pay raise at Delta?

I'll time you with a calender.......

737

 

[Bringupthebird]

The airlines that didn't have the cash (or didn't want to gamble) on fuel hedges are the ones most impacted by soaring fuel costs. Those that hedged are going to use their (temporary) cost advantage to their benefit and not raise prices. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me since the hedged airlines can't add capacity in the short term to capitalize on their price advantage anyhow. But they could go along and reap greater profits which would allow them to hedge future fuel purchases.

But that would take some foresight, and who needs that?

 

[Tanker Clown]

No moreso then when the colonel is telling you to go scrub the toilets with your toothbrush. But alas, I see you dodged yet another question, so I'll repost it.....

Besides General Lee, (and I don't think he's bragging) please tell me anyone on here who is bragging about the 1.5% pay raise at Delta?

I'll time you with a calender.......

737

The General and I think Micheal707 have pointed out the pay raise they got this year. I'm pretty sure you've pointed it out as well.

I'm not sure why anyone at Delta would brag. If I were you guys, I'd be more P.O.'d at the 1.5% insult than happy about it. The gub'ment gave me over 3.5% this year. I guess since they are kinda responsible for the deficit and weak dollar (therefore inflation) they felt the least they could do was keep up with it.

 

[737 Pylt]

The General and I think Micheal707 have pointed out the pay raise they got this year. I'm pretty sure you've pointed it out as well.

Since, much like a neutered dog, you don't get it.....Let's try it again......Who was B-R-A-G-G-I-N-G?

I'm not sure why anyone at Delta would brag. If I were you guys, I'd be more P.O.'d at the 1.5% insult than happy about it. The gub'ment gave me over 3.5% this year. I guess since they are kinda responsible for the deficit and weak dollar (therefore inflation) they felt the least they could do was keep up with it.

Even an E1 gets a payraise. Something I'm sure mom and dad back home are proud of!
What ever are you going to do on that lousy swa first year payrate when you get out of the military? IF you get hired......I mean after all, you're making what 125k a year?

737

 

[Tanker Clown]

I hear 1st year SWA guys can do alright. The good news is, 365 days after you start, you pretty much make more than any Delta guy. FO for sure.

By the way, GL was bragging about his "raise."

 

[737 Pylt]

I hear 1st year SWA guys can do alright. The good news is, 365 days after you start, you pretty much make more than any Delta guy. FO for sure.

Then what will you do living off that terrible pay for the first 365 days?

By the way, GL was bragging about his "raise."

Great for him. Anyone else "bragging?" Or are you just continuing to talk out of your arse?
BTW, I'm still not convinced you're a pilot in the military. I mean 20 years, and only 1900 hours?
Is it coffee time yet?

737

 

[Tanker Clown]

Then what will you do living off that terrible pay for the first 365 days?


Great for him. Anyone else "bragging?" Or are you just continuing to talk out of your arse?
BTW, I'm still not convinced you're a pilot in
the military. I mean 20 years, and only 1900 hours?
Is it coffee time yet?

737

What does a DAL newhire do during his first year? It's even worse than a SWA guys.

I still haven't been in 20 years. I have a few to go until I retire. Once again, thank you for your concern in my flying hour program.

 

[737 Pylt]

What does a DAL newhire do during his first year? It's even worse than a SWA guys.

Not sure, ask the new guys.

I still haven't been in 20 years. I have a few to go until I retire.

That's alot of asking, "can I get you anything else with your coffee sir?"

Once again, thank you for your concern in my flying hour program.

Always looking out for a wannabe! Just think at your current rate, you should break the 2000 hour mark in about......3 years.

737