2013 L-CAL System Bid Out

[ChrisJT6]

Seems to be working for SWA. What If Delta gives up all flying? Are going to capitulate because "we have to compete?" The 50 seaters were going away on there own, we could have owned just about all flying ....if we were not so scared.

I just asked a SWA buddy of mine and confirmed they do not have anything smaller than a 737. I am sure you would have known a bit more about them if they had a sweet flow through program for you.

 

[chppr5]

I'm not sure I care about that, so much as I care about not furloughing my fellow pilots.



Well why don't you explain it to me?! Let me guess: It's CAL's fault? JP's fault? Drop the BS, we don't owe you a bailout. Your self inflicted scope wound is what has put you in the position you're in.

WOW, you have a lot of anger.

 

[eaglesview]

He's a piece of work!!!! Folks with his mentality is why we voted to dismantle the CAL MEC.

 

[Flopgut]

I am sure your furloughed pilots appreciated your concern...right up until you VJM'd yourself silly.

You're talking to a guy who was awarded a LTVRF to limit CAL furloughs.
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WOW, you have a lot of anger.

I've got no anger. I'm just frustrated that you can't answer anything. If I'm wrong about the 70 seat side letter then tell me what I'm missing? If those 70 seaters weren't in the system you guys wouldn't be in the shape you're in.

He's a piece of work!!!! Folks with his mentality is why we voted to dismantle the CAL MEC.

So you're ready to go back to what you are used to? Giving away junior pilot's careers, losing arbitrations (Aer Lingus) and being slapped with injunctions?

 

[nimtz]

I am sure as a standalone, a 50 seat scoped CAL would really be kickin some butt against the industry today. Your posts remind me of the gases in the Hindenburg on its last flight. FLOPGUNT!

Well at least we can all agree this new pilot group has been magnaimous enough to give management the tools to compete against the high costs of this new pilot group!

 

[nimtz]

He's a piece of work!!!! Folks with his mentality is why we voted to dismantle the CAL MEC.

JP just got relected for a new term. We will be lucky to get SLI by September. Plenty of UAL friends disgusted with JH for selling out on LOA 25. CAL majorities still dominate in previous LEC's and growing in LAX. How's that 'dismantling' thing coming along?

 

[eaglesview]

SLI completion will mean one MEC which will lead to a vote. I don't care who just re elected JP he will be gone. The dismantling is going fine, but thank you for your concern.

 

[nimtz]

SLI completion will mean one MEC which will lead to a vote. I don't care who just re elected JP he will be gone. The dismantling is going fine, but thank you for your concern.

So you think it will all be one nice package delivered by your YES vote once SLI plops out? You think your simple majority will 'dismantle' all concerns of former CAL members? You think the trip lose queens on both sides aren't going to engage in the nastiest forms of skullduggery possible in order to keep their 9-3 jobs? All ready a three month delay from what mother ALPA told us for the SLI. If I didn't know the issues I would admire your optimism, but one can also argue it looks more like blind stupidity.

 

[sleeves]

I just asked a SWA buddy of mine and confirmed they do not have anything smaller than a 737. I am sure you would have known a bit more about them if they had a sweet flow through program for you.

I'm talking about the SWA scope section. You might ask your SWA buddy about it cause your legacy United buds only know how to give it away.

 

[ChrisJT6]

I'm talking about the SWA scope section. You might ask your SWA buddy about it cause your legacy United buds only know how to give it away.

Well, he told me to tell you that their scope works for them as they don't feed a huge international widebody fleet.

When terrorists chose to attack our country and the biggest and best US carriers with horrible outcomes; your right UAL crews followed by saving their company but lost 50 seat scope, we all get it occurred before CAL lost its scope in the merger. But where you championing the scope fight at your flow through commuter job when all this went down? If so, You are the man!

 

[Flopgut]

After signing the 70 seat side letter Paul W said "I've saved the A fund". He didn't say he saved United. CAL had no shortage of pilots who were thinking of themselves, but the leadership didn't let that happen. Two BKs and all the mergers they had already been thru is what I guess made the difference between how these two pilot groups reacted. Ours was a coordinated effort to not throw pilots (at either end of the list) into the garbage and we all participated.

 

[eaglesview]

After signing the 70 seat side letter Paul W said "I've saved the A fund". He didn't say he saved United. CAL had no shortage of pilots who were thinking of themselves, but the leadership didn't let that happen. Two BKs and all the mergers they had already been thru is what I guess made the difference between how these two pilot groups reacted. Ours was a coordinated effort to not throw pilots (at either end of the list) into the garbage and we all participated.

I want to live in your world were everything is shiny and new and "me and my fellow pilots have done nothing wrong." I admire sooo much how the entire CAL would NEVER think of there own personal needs in front of others. Next time you go to work actually take off your rose colored glasses and look around. How is that you can only find fault on one side???

Oh yeah go ahead and send the message about frontier, Paul W. signing the letter concerning 70 seaters. Go ahead.... Stick your head in the sand when it comes to CAL pilots, there willingness to basically fly a contract that had no work rules, Captains flying as f/o's. (try finding an example of that on the UAL side) Your getting very predictable. Enjoy them glasses.

 

[eaglesview]

So you think it will all be one nice package delivered by your YES vote once SLI plops out? You think your simple majority will 'dismantle' all concerns of former CAL members? You think the trip lose queens on both sides aren't going to engage in the nastiest forms of skullduggery possible in order to keep their 9-3 jobs? All ready a three month delay from what mother ALPA told us for the SLI. If I didn't know the issues I would admire your optimism, but one can also argue it looks more like blind stupidity.

What??

 

[Flopgut]

I want to live in your world were everything is shiny and new and "me and my fellow pilots have done nothing wrong." I admire sooo much how the entire CAL would NEVER think of there own personal needs in front of others. Next time you go to work actually take off your rose colored glasses and look around. How is that you can only find fault on one side???

Oh yeah go ahead and send the message about frontier, Paul W. signing the letter concerning 70 seaters. Go ahead.... Stick your head in the sand when it comes to CAL pilots, there willingness to basically fly a contract that had no work rules, Captains flying as f/o's. (try finding an example of that on the UAL side) Your getting very predictable. Enjoy them glasses.

Day 1 at CAL, VP Flt Ops C.D. Mclean walks into class and welcomes us with "Welcome aboard! I'll tell you all the same thing they told me on my first day at Peidmont. Welcome to the last airline job you'll ever have". We all laughed, but that was very much the attitude we were steered toward. The remark was deliberately opposite of what everyone knew to be the welcome a pilot got to DAL or UAL. Not that a merger was inevitable, or that we were going to have a lesser career, but that change and adversity were inevitable. So most CAL pilots felt like we shouldn't just coast. You guys all slapped yourselves on the back, welcomed/congratulated yourselves as millionaires, and stared down your nose at the rest of the industry like your crap didn't stink. When the worst happened, and you needed to circle the wagons, you all screwed it up in a desperate panic. AMR and DAL, and well, everyone handled it better than you guys. You all turned on each other like a band of theives. CAL was not perfect in many other areas, but regarding scope and job protection efforts, in the face of dire corporate circumstances, we did it right.

 

[eaglesview]

Day 1 at CAL, VP Flt Ops C.D. Mclean walks into class and welcomes us with "Welcome aboard! I'll tell you all the same thing they told me on my first day at Peidmont. Welcome to the last airline job you'll ever have". We all laughed, but that was very much the attitude we were steered toward. The remark was deliberately opposite of what everyone knew to be the welcome a pilot got to DAL or UAL. Not that a merger was inevitable, or that we were going to have a lesser career, but that change and adversity were inevitable. So most CAL pilots felt like we shouldn't just coast. You guys all slapped yourselves on the back, welcomed/congratulated yourselves as millionaires, and stared down your nose at the rest of the industry like your crap didn't stink. When the worst happened, and you needed to circle the wagons, you all screwed it up in a desperate panic. AMR and DAL, and well, everyone handled it better than you guys. You all turned on each other like a band of theives. CAL was not perfect in many other areas, but regarding scope and job protection efforts, in the face of dire corporate circumstances, we did it right.

When you have struck, walked away from a job and watched it vanish, then you can lecture me about change and adversity. What Texas air group do you think benefitted the most from that?