2000 hour wonders hired at Delta

[CX880]

Me- Standard civilian background, 5 years at the regionals then AF UPT and fighter track, 5 years there now back to airlines
Hard to compare both tracks when you haven't been through both of them....
my opinion....
Can't compare the training, not even close. Regional flying challenging? I think we all know better ....but that .000001% of the time where a little airmanship is required, I feel more comfortable falling back on the mil experience.
Not saying it can't be found somewhere else, and not saying there are no bad fighter pilots or that I'm not one of them, but I def. didn't find it in my 5 years of drooling on myself doing 8 legs a day at the regionals or through my civ experience.

M80drvr-
CFIT in Afghanistan? Night VFR? Combat sortie? Competency? Let's not simplify that example

That depends on what kind of civ experience you got. If your regional track was the tech support of the Autopilot on the CRJ then that is not applicable experience. I would rather have someone that has flown night frieght or preferably an old airplane with no AP vs some F16 QRH operator. Currency also plays a role, 2000 hours in the military maybe quality time, but it's still 2000 hours which really does not apply to 121 flying, unless we start bombing cities or fly VFR around canyons anytime soon.

 

[waveflyer]

Ahh- the age old- mil-civ debate:

the trump card is simply checkairman experience - and experience as a captain-
to a captain- when I was new, they get relieved when they find out my civilian background.

It's not that the mil guy can't do it- they just haven't done it and it takes a bit to get up to speed. Vs the regional pilot has been doing the job at a more demanding pace for years-

Think the previous poster had it nailed- if you've challenged yourself and gone after excellence, you're going to value your experience- but it serves noone to not realize there are many paths to the same place

 

[rfa]

Sooooooooo flying a 40 year old tanker on autopilot is of higher quality than flying a modern EFIS RJ on autopilot? Please explain this should be interesting. You might want to get over yourself, and pass that on to your "Delta buddies"(Thanks for your service though) Oh yeah, how may days have you flown 7 legs in the weather, in the northeast corridor while in the military?

PS. Fighter time does NOT make you a good airline pilot. It makes you a good fighter pilot.

Well said, I am amazed people still buy this stuff even within our own industry.

 

[Frisko]

opinions vary...we obviously won't agree
like I said... after doing both
my opinion the military training and experience was much better than any civilian training I found in various jobs 5 years prior to the regionals, or 5 years at the regionals, and I'm glad I went that route.
If you've been through both and can say the same about your experience then cool. I don't recall ever hearing anyone who has been through both say their civilian training was better or that it better prepared them for 121.
Big picture....does it make me better for airline type flying....who really cares...that bar isn't too high

 

[m80drvr]

M80drvr-
CFIT in Afghanistan? Night VFR? Combat sortie? Competency? Let's not simplify that example

I didn't oversimplify anything. A perfectly good jet was flown into ground in VFR at night. A tragic accident but the facts are the facts. It happens all the time. It was not me that was touting the superiority of being a mil pilot. I was just pointing out that pilot error also happens the mil guys regardless of their superior training and ability.

 

[rfa]

You know who I would rather be stuck with?

...someone who started out in gliders and built up considerable time in them before moving on to airplanes. This is not vanity (ignore my profile) I have very few hours in them. This could be a coincidence, but from experience, every single time I was impressed with an airline pilot (or any pilot actually), he or she turned out to have considerable time in gliders during their initial training. Something about their attitudes too - can't put my finger on it though.

 

[Frisko]

I didn't oversimplify anything. A perfectly good jet was flown into ground in VFR at night. A tragic accident but the facts are the facts. It happens all the time. It was not me that was touting the superiority of being a mil pilot. I was just pointing out that pilot error also happens the mil guys regardless of their superior training and ability.

Next time you point your nose 60 degrees at the ground to strafe, with no moon illum, "vfr", in an area with a 25k MSA, to save some dudes ass on the ground between Newark and Cleveland you can comment on CFIT in Afghanistan.

 

[m80drvr]

Next time you point your nose 60 degrees at the ground to strafe, with no moon illum, "vfr", in an area with a 25k MSA, to save some dudes ass on the ground between Newark and Cleveland you can comment on CFIT in Afghanistan.

You missed the point........AGAIN....

 

[Frisko]

no I got your point, I think it's wrong, and I think using those incidents as a comparison for pilot error and training is not only incorrect but disrespectful of the guys you are using as an example

 

[jonjuan]

but disrespectful of the guys you are using as an example

"to save some dudes ass on the ground?" Talking of disrespectful...

 

[transpac]

If I was hiring a pilot to haul my butt around I'd be looking for someone with a few years flying single-pilot night freight. Don't think I'd even consider a fighter pilot, although there's probably some who've managed to corral their egos.

 

[Frisko]

"to save some dudes ass on the ground?" Talking of disrespectful...

Don't see it bud, usually by the time a CAS assett is dedicated that's exactly what we're there to do...no disrespect EVER intended for the guys doing 15+ months on the ground in that place

My only criticism is of the comparison by m80drvr of pilot error accidents in a combat sortie versus those at home. If you want to throw spears at me for driving a mil airplane into the ground on an ILS or piling too much ice on the jet and spinning into the ground back home that's fine, but leave the combat sorties alone, there are more factors involved and I think it is disrespectful of the crews involved.

 

[Quimby]

This thread is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

 

[Amish RakeFight]

What Does it Take to Fly?

So... What do y'all think of Delta's new black and white commercial?

 

[jonjuan]

So... What do y'all think of Delta's new black and white commercial?

Why you gotta bring race into it?

Besides, I only see one chick, unless of course, you include the guy with the f16 sticker on his bag.

 

[Frisko]

My Dad was in the USMC (and then Eastern) and regularly laughed at those who were from the AF as he believed they were pansies and could never make it through USMC OCS and subsequent flight training. He felt the af dudes were afraid of making decisions when the sh1t hit the fan.

Well my daddy said....

...looking at your posts you're obviously a little bitter toward mil guys, could the above be a player? just sayin.

Enough off topic...hope everyone gets an interview...I'm out

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I'd just like to get the opinion of pilots at Delta about the recent new hires. Especially Delta Captains

I personally know of 4-5 new hires from ASA of the female persuasion. I'm sure there are more. I don't have any problems with gender, and I get it that certain boxes have to be checked off but come on.

As a regional Captain that had to tolerate the 600 hour wonders I flew with a few years ago, I am wondering if you guys know/care about what is heading your way? I flew with one of these pilots and I really don't know what to say. No personality, no skills.

My problem is that AT LEAST 2 or three have ZERO PIC in anything larger than a Seminole. One has around 2000 hours. Is that the safest decision for your passengers? Why are so many qualified pilots being weeded out to hire these folks?

Well, at least two of them are history making aviators with recognition in the Smithsonian.

The last hiring wave at Delta, I heard of a couple FO's who were hired, but THIS time it seems the a large percentage are low PIC time females. Anything to do with the flowthrough? How do you Captains feel knowing the experience level coming your way?

They are all qualified and connected enough to make it to DAL. They passed the interview, which is no small feat. No favors are done at all. It is all on you. If they cannot pass training, that will be an issue that is dealt with. Simple as that.


It matters not just what you know, but who you know.

 

[m80drvr]

Don't see it bud, usually by the time a CAS assett is dedicated that's exactly what we're there to do...no disrespect EVER intended for the guys doing 15+ months on the ground in that place

My only criticism is of the comparison by m80drvr of pilot error accidents in a combat sortie versus those at home. If you want to throw spears at me for driving a mil airplane into the ground on an ILS or piling too much ice on the jet and spinning into the ground back home that's fine, but leave the combat sorties alone, there are more factors involved and I think it is disrespectful of the crews involved.

I DID NOT disrespect those men nor would I ever disrespect men who died for this country or just fought for this country......Reading comprehension seems to be a problem with you. I suggest you look into “Hooked on Phonics”…It may help you out a bit.

I guess I should have noted the C17 gear up landing in Bagram, or the B52 that tried a knife edge pass, stalled and crashed due to a out of control command pilot. Unfortunately he took the rest of the crew with him. My point was both sides have the same or similar issues.

I’m not dogging Mil pilots you folks are shi&&ing on civilian pilots.

Last post from me on this subject. You win you are all superior sky gods!!!
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[NuGuy]

Let's see:

BE200
EMB -120
BE 99
Twin Otter
BE-18
Shorts
CASA
BE 1900

What's an Auto pilot....???? Is that when you trim it up on a calm day????? (Humor, weak but humor anyhow).

Beat that dead horse. The EGO rules when "I'M" betther than you because......

Heyas Jafi,

I would concede your point if today's batch of hair frosted, backpack wearing, Oakley dangling, iPod jamming, entitlement minded RJ kids could successfully identify ANY of those aircraft more than 1 out of 10 times with a response other than a "I dunno, dude, it's like....old...let me Wiki it on my iPhone"

Nu

 

[LearLove]

unless of course, you include the guy with the f16 sticker on his bag.

Timmy Martins got hired at Delta?