2000 hour wonders hired at Delta

[transpac]

If I was hiring a pilot to haul my butt around I'd be looking for someone with a few years flying single-pilot night freight. Don't think I'd even consider a fighter pilot, although there's probably some who've managed to corral their egos.

 

[Frisko]

"to save some dudes ass on the ground?" Talking of disrespectful...

Don't see it bud, usually by the time a CAS assett is dedicated that's exactly what we're there to do...no disrespect EVER intended for the guys doing 15+ months on the ground in that place

My only criticism is of the comparison by m80drvr of pilot error accidents in a combat sortie versus those at home. If you want to throw spears at me for driving a mil airplane into the ground on an ILS or piling too much ice on the jet and spinning into the ground back home that's fine, but leave the combat sorties alone, there are more factors involved and I think it is disrespectful of the crews involved.

 

[Quimby]

This thread is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

 

[Amish RakeFight]

What Does it Take to Fly?

So... What do y'all think of Delta's new black and white commercial?

 

[jonjuan]

So... What do y'all think of Delta's new black and white commercial?

Why you gotta bring race into it?

Besides, I only see one chick, unless of course, you include the guy with the f16 sticker on his bag.

 

[Frisko]

My Dad was in the USMC (and then Eastern) and regularly laughed at those who were from the AF as he believed they were pansies and could never make it through USMC OCS and subsequent flight training. He felt the af dudes were afraid of making decisions when the sh1t hit the fan.

Well my daddy said....

...looking at your posts you're obviously a little bitter toward mil guys, could the above be a player? just sayin.

Enough off topic...hope everyone gets an interview...I'm out

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I'd just like to get the opinion of pilots at Delta about the recent new hires. Especially Delta Captains

I personally know of 4-5 new hires from ASA of the female persuasion. I'm sure there are more. I don't have any problems with gender, and I get it that certain boxes have to be checked off but come on.

As a regional Captain that had to tolerate the 600 hour wonders I flew with a few years ago, I am wondering if you guys know/care about what is heading your way? I flew with one of these pilots and I really don't know what to say. No personality, no skills.

My problem is that AT LEAST 2 or three have ZERO PIC in anything larger than a Seminole. One has around 2000 hours. Is that the safest decision for your passengers? Why are so many qualified pilots being weeded out to hire these folks?

Well, at least two of them are history making aviators with recognition in the Smithsonian.

The last hiring wave at Delta, I heard of a couple FO's who were hired, but THIS time it seems the a large percentage are low PIC time females. Anything to do with the flowthrough? How do you Captains feel knowing the experience level coming your way?

They are all qualified and connected enough to make it to DAL. They passed the interview, which is no small feat. No favors are done at all. It is all on you. If they cannot pass training, that will be an issue that is dealt with. Simple as that.


It matters not just what you know, but who you know.

 

[m80drvr]

Don't see it bud, usually by the time a CAS assett is dedicated that's exactly what we're there to do...no disrespect EVER intended for the guys doing 15+ months on the ground in that place

My only criticism is of the comparison by m80drvr of pilot error accidents in a combat sortie versus those at home. If you want to throw spears at me for driving a mil airplane into the ground on an ILS or piling too much ice on the jet and spinning into the ground back home that's fine, but leave the combat sorties alone, there are more factors involved and I think it is disrespectful of the crews involved.

I DID NOT disrespect those men nor would I ever disrespect men who died for this country or just fought for this country......Reading comprehension seems to be a problem with you. I suggest you look into “Hooked on Phonics”…It may help you out a bit.

I guess I should have noted the C17 gear up landing in Bagram, or the B52 that tried a knife edge pass, stalled and crashed due to a out of control command pilot. Unfortunately he took the rest of the crew with him. My point was both sides have the same or similar issues.

I’m not dogging Mil pilots you folks are shi&&ing on civilian pilots.

Last post from me on this subject. You win you are all superior sky gods!!!
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[NuGuy]

Let's see:

BE200
EMB -120
BE 99
Twin Otter
BE-18
Shorts
CASA
BE 1900

What's an Auto pilot....???? Is that when you trim it up on a calm day????? (Humor, weak but humor anyhow).

Beat that dead horse. The EGO rules when "I'M" betther than you because......

Heyas Jafi,

I would concede your point if today's batch of hair frosted, backpack wearing, Oakley dangling, iPod jamming, entitlement minded RJ kids could successfully identify ANY of those aircraft more than 1 out of 10 times with a response other than a "I dunno, dude, it's like....old...let me Wiki it on my iPhone"

Nu

 

[LearLove]

unless of course, you include the guy with the f16 sticker on his bag.

Timmy Martins got hired at Delta?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Not that I am aware of. I thought he went somewhere else.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

That was a joke ACL.......

 

[DH106]

Whaler, you said, "I'm not trying to come off as superior but when you are comparing a guy coming up through regional training and saying more folks would rather fly with them then a 1500 hr Mil guy. I have to completely disagree. Look at the Colgan accident. Guys (and the gal) can sneak through the regional training into a 121 glass cockpit. You think the colgan capt would have made it through all the training that 1500 hr F16 guy made it through? You think he's the only one out there?"

I understand what you're saying. But, we need to keep in mind that the AA MD80 crash in Little Rock was flown by two military guys, and I believe the FO was a fighter guy. The Air Florida crash in D.C. was also piloted by a recently-mil-separated fighter guy with no winter weather/ice/deicing experience. Both crashes occured due to bad decision-making.

The point here is that there are bad pilots on both sides of the fence. It's important for us to stop pointing the finger at the other side.

 

[BrickTop]

Hire a 2000hr Regional Airline Pilot and you have a dedicated employee who has divine pride and joy in their career proving far more resourceful than a 5000hr head swollen "I'm owed this" position pilot who makes the next 30yrs of his career with company X a combative disaster.

 

[hyflyin]

Hire a 2000hr Regional Airline Pilot and you have a dedicated employee who has divine pride and joy in their career proving far more resourceful than a 5000hr head swollen "I'm owed this" position pilot who makes the next 30yrs of his career with company X a combative disaster.

Everyone, regardless of experience, is happy the first year or couple of years, then we all become entitled.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

I've flown with a few ex-mil guys at my airline. I rather enjoy flying with them, they see the flying world a little differently than I do. They've done things I've not done, I've done things they've not done. I came up through the single pilot freight world, then charters and contract work with the forest service; they got their time flying an F/A-18 or KC-135.

At the end of the day we're all doing the same crap. We can both fly the happy little bus from ATL to ORD, and it's probably the easiest flying job either of us have ever done.

 

[Flybywire44]

Wait, did Delta hire the female FO from the "History Making" flight? The Captain is qualified and the FO is... well.

 

[asayankee]

Wait, did Delta hire the female FO from the "History Making" flight? The Captain is qualified and the FO is... well.

The captain who couldn't fly a visual approach and had to be sent back to training? The one requiring extra sim time and still couldn't get out of IOE? The one who went through a fast track program at ASA without an interview because of a personal phone call from Skip Barnette...Who she happened to work for at Delta in PR who later transferred to ASA as CEO? The one with the less than stellar reputation from just about every captain she's flown with at ASA?

How is she qualified exactly? It wouldn't have anything to do with the fact shes a female, attractive, a minority, a former Delta employee???

I'm all for networking, etc.....but this girl is not very qualified for a flying position. Enjoy and good luck.

 

[727C47]

you're all 1/2 crazy. i want the guy/gal with beaucoup round engine and tailwheel time !!!

 

[vetrider]

Heyas Jafi,

I would concede your point if today's batch of hair frosted, backpack wearing, Oakley dangling, iPod jamming, entitlement minded RJ kids could successfully identify ANY of those aircraft more than 1 out of 10 times with a response other than a "I dunno, dude, it's like....old...let me Wiki it on my iPhone"

Nu

Just one more sign I'm getting old I guess, I know what all those airplanes are. Flew several of them to.

 

[Flybywire44]

The captain who couldn't fly a visual approach and had to be sent back to training? The one requiring extra sim time and still couldn't get out of IOE? The one who went through a fast track program at ASA without an interview because of a personal phone call from Skip Barnette...Who she happened to work for at Delta in PR who later transferred to ASA as CEO? The one with the less than stellar reputation from just about every captain she's flown with at ASA?

How is she qualified exactly? It wouldn't have anything to do with the fact shes a female, attractive, a minority, a former Delta employee???

I'm all for networking, etc.....but this girl is not very qualified for a flying position. Enjoy and good luck.

I've flown with this Captain in general aviation and at ASA. She has no issues flying and is down to earth, that's not an issue to me.

I'm asking about the FO. You know, the one with 10 hours of heavy Seminole PIC, a fraction of experience and a lot of attitude. Did this FO get hired at DAL?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Delta was threatened recently by some local reverend guy for not having enough minorities in the cockpit and elsewhere. As per usual, they caved:

http://www.eturbonews.com/9214/black-leaders-unhappy-about-delta-air-lines-diversity

 

[BoilerUP]

What are the difference between "Let's 4-1-0 it dude!" in a CRJ and "Hey ya'll, watch this barrel roll" in a B-52?

Nothing really, when you think about it - both gross errors in judgment by folks that really should have known better that resulted in a loss of lives and an airframe. And unfortunately, there's no age, longevity, flight hour, or type of aircraft that cuts one off from making gross errors in judgment when they really should know better...

How about people have just a little respect the varied backgrounds of the professionals that fly for a living, be their background in an RJ or a 747 or a F18 or a Learjet or a C130 or a Beech 99?

But just for curiosity's sake - have there been any folks hired at Delta this go-round with a business aviation (charter/corporate/frax) background?

 

[GogglesPisano]

A third of the newhires this year had Master's Degrees and one had a PhD.. Whatever will Yip say about that?

 

[30West]

I hate to be a buzz kill in the middle of a good 'ol fashioned FI dick measuring contest, but the first post to state that one group isn't any better than the other, just different, wins the thread.
In 10 years of training and checking both groups in the airline environment, neither group sticks out as being better or worse at the airliner game than the other. Each group brings into the mix it's own unique assets and liabilities. The raw meat goes into the grinder from all different directions, but the sausage still comes out the other side in identical homogeneous links.

 

[nonstop]

A third of the newhires this year had Master's Degrees and one had a PhD.. Whatever will Yip say about that?

He'll find that one Compass FO who got on without a degree and will now flow, akin to Charlie in Willy Wonka finding the golden wrapper, and flaunt that.

 

[JOPILOT]

Masters and PhD who really gives a rip, can they deal with nasty wx, bitcy FA's, and broken airplanes and still get everyone to their destination EVERY time without a hickup?

As far as 2000 hr wonder pilots, yes we had one in our class and I guess they pushed the reset button till the damn thing was almost worn out so SHE could get
used to visual approaches...I also heard the check ride was "close", but she can make
a mean Meatloaf. In my opinion, get to the back of the line and give a call when you are qualified honey. If you get on an airlplane and the pilot is a white male, in shape, and clean cut you know he was not given any slack when he was hired and probably has his sh*t together. If you get on a flight and there are two women pilots that look like they could work at Hooters get the F^ck off the plane and re-list on the next flight. Just calling it how I see it. JP

 

[waveflyer]

Because there have never been any low time white males hired anywhere....

You guys are ridiculous.

I just can't feel sorry for white males in this career- we comprise well over 80% of our ranks.

You all should ask yourself why you're so concerned about female and minority flyers...

And save the old "but I know about this one girl or black guy, and (s)he did.... Blah blah blah-

 

[crashpad]

As one gal enlightened me: "I flew a crappy little beech 1900 for over a year,
I paid my dues!". Ok?

 

[Chubaka]

So from now going forward is it going to be "ode to Delta"?