2000 hour wonders hired at Delta

[waveflyer]

Are you one of those guys that want torepeal the civil rights act?

It is a shame that we have to have those laws- but you don't have the right to discriminate - sorry your view of freedom is that YOU are "free" to deny the "freedom" of others.

The rest of your post is just naive dilfer

 

[inline]

I agree 100% (the most amount permitted a white male) and I am a strictly civilian puke. No damned way someone gets to log hour 2 in the .mil if they have dogcrap airmanship skillz.

"civilian puke"? you sound like the Woody Allen of pilots. Do you shine the shoes of the military pilots at work too?

 

[inline]

Really? I think you'd have trouble defending that view with most conservatives, much less me.

Again- are you a conservative? Bc your post illustrates the major flaw of the conservative mindset-

You want to legislate things in a "perfect world"- you know, the one where kids will actually be abstinent, where drug users won't use, where everyone will be "responsible" and never be the wrong kind of greedy.

Liberals tend to legislate for the real world- the one we actually live in where mankind is flawed but with intelligent regulation ORDER can be had-

Every liberal wishes that there wasn't a need for Aff Action programs- that there is no discrimination- yet the evidence tells different story. Your own post illustrates your desire to have the freedom to discriminate without limit. This is simply not allowed in this country as determined by the constitution and the supreme court's interpretation of it. Now you and I can argue against brown v board of education or the Bollinger cases until we are blue in the face- but the bottom line is that discrimination still exists and laws to ensure fair employment are an asset to this country.

You'll just have to live with the fact that this country is NOT ALL white- and you might have to fly with a girl or a black guy sometimes.

God forbid.

Wrong. It's a racial and sexist preference pure and simple and state sponsored discrimination. That's reason 12,894 why I don't vote for democrats.

 

[waveflyer]

As Clinton once said- "if you want to live like a republican, you better vote democrat."

it is telling- you guys get so pissed at the little bit of sexism and racism that you "endure" - yet have no empathy for those who live with the real thing all their lives.

C'mon man- it's not fair, but you just got to pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

This isn't a chicken or egg scenario- AA was begun to fight real discrimination bc the good ole boys wouldn't do it voluntarily. - we're getting there- just not there yet-

 

[JoeMerchant]

Affirmative action simply perpetuates racism by:

1. Saying that women/minorities need "special" help because they can't do it on their own....This alone is an insult to those who earn it based on ability instead of skin color or sex...

2. It uses skin color and sex as a basis of choice, which is by it's definition "racism"....

Pick the best candidates regardless of skin color or sex...Don't give preference to people because of sex or skin color...

 

[Tweaker]

"civilian puke"? you sound like the Woody Allen of pilots. Do you shine the shoes of the military pilots at work too?

It's a common slang term that they are familiar with, Francis. Simma down nah.

What I do do is possess an appropriate mix of gratitude and respect for those who agree to potentially sacrifice their lives in the defense of our country. I also say politely, "thank your for YOUR service to OUR country" to any person who has made that decision. Not just fighter jocks, that I also don't sniff.


You sound like the Michael Moore of Pilots. I prefer being Woody-like, but I won't go so far as boning my adopted asian daughter.

 

[dillfer]

The rest of your post is just naive dilfer

C'mon man, I thought the rest of my post was pretty good. Maybe a little oversimplified, but I thought that you would respond a little bit better than that. And dillfer has to L's.

And no, I don't want to repeal the civil rights act.

 

[grinder]

I left the mil and went straight to training at a regional on twin engined props. The training was weak. My captain sim partner kept crashing on V1 Cuts and it was me, the new FO, that demonstrated how to keep it headed down the centerline because the instructer just kept saying try it again instead of showing the technique. I went to a major and had great training, but after 9-11 and bankruptcy, it too was watered down to the minimum. I always thought for the most part the guys were great mil or civ, but the training was definitely better in the military because money is much less of an issue. That being said, some of my funnest and most challenging flying was at the regional. Good times in the upper midwest.

Grinder

 

[P38JLightning]

http://www.asktheharvardmba.com/2009/06/27/why-do-asian-women-prefer-white-men-seriously-why/


“Why do Asian women prefer white men? Seriously… why?”

The Harvard MBA says:

The single greatest contribution to any thread on any topic in the history of the WORLD!

 

[Dizel8]

"The fact that affirmative action is meant to ensure that a qualified person will not be denied an opportunity because of race, gender and other factors is generally ignored."

In other words, if the qualifications of two individuals are the same, then gender or race mustn't be used as a deciding factor, a premise that is eminently fair. Coversely, allowances shouldn't be made, that allows an individuals minority status to trump the need for qualifications.

The NBA, the NFL etc., etc., don't have quotas nor do we want them to, we want them to have the very best players. We also want the very best doctors, pilots,astronauts without having to use quotas.

 

[jonjuan]

"The fact that affirmative action is meant to ensure that a qualified person will not be denied an opportunity because of race, gender and other factors is generally ignored."

In other words, if the qualifications of two individuals are the same, then gender or race mustn't be used as a deciding factor, a premise that is eminently fair. Coversely, allowances shouldn't be made, that allows an individuals minority status to trump the need for qualifications.

The NBA, the NFL etc., etc., don't have quotas nor do we want them to, we want them to have the very best players. We also want the very best doctors, pilots,astronauts without having to use quotas.

Ok then, how do you define the "best" pilot? Total number of hours? Least number of training event failures? Most number of Captain recs? for Every person hired, there are always hundreds more "qualified.". Now what say you? There are people turned down that are "more qualified" than many current CAs currently on property. In the NBA-NFL, those more qualified would simply replace those "on property.". Why then isn't this done at the airlines where safety and having the most qualified should be the top priority? It's the old blame game being played. If hiring was based purely on most number of hours, there would then be a debate over how personalities and letters of rec should be more important.

 

[sayrejm]

The best pilot is the one who is too damn bookoo! Seriously, has this really gone to 6 pages? This is the reason pilots are made fun of for having egos.

 

[Dizel8]

Ok then, how do you define the "best" pilot? Total number of hours?

We don't have to qualify best pilots as per se, airline x sets the requirement of x amount of hours, x amount of PIC, x amount of jet time, college degree, etc., etc. So, from that pool, you interview and those the company finds most suited gets the job.

You don't say, "Well that person doesn't actually have competitive qualifications, but due to his or hers ethnicity or gender we should make allowances."

We all know this is the case, so the argument isn't whether this happen or not, it is whether it is fair or not. I personally believe, that regardless of gender, color or creed, the best person should be hired for the job. I want my fire department to have the best firefighters, I want my hospitals to have the best doctors and I want to fly on airliners with the best possible pilots and no, I don't want gender, color or creed to have a bearing on the issue. You are either qualified based on the established criteria or you are not, "minority status shouldn't be a factor.

MLK said just that in his speech, but sadly JJ and Sharpton has perverted the issue. I could post the speech, but you are more than capable of finding it yourself.

 

[tomgoodman]

Pilots in the Bible?

“And he came to Capernaum: and being in the house he asked them, What was it that ye disputed among yourselves by the way? / But they held their peace: for by the way they had disputed among themselves, who should be the greatest.”

 

[waveflyer]

Nice Tom. That's a fantastic line

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I had about 1700 TT and about 750 ME, 0 PIC Turbine (Fixed-Wing), when I interviewed at DAL. I am a white guy.

After that interview, I could not get one anywhere else as my times/experience were WAY too low (also had my ATP MEL at the time).

I have no problem with DAL's hiring process, nor anyone else's. They can intervew and hire whoever they want...it's their company.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Does anybody really believe that if our country is 18% African-American, yet only 5% of pilots or doctors, lawyers, are black, that it is a "failure" of the system?

Does the fact that 88% of our inmates are comprised from just 18% of our population mean that the criminal justice system is broken? No they are for the same reason.

It is about the lack of minorities in THIS COUNTRY to promote education. In most "ethnic" areas a kid will be ridiculed for being smart or doing homework or god forbid reading a book outside of school. The only way "out" is to be an athelete or rapper.
Instead of encouraging minority youths to be the best they can be and to study, we have the Al Sharptons of the world screaming for handouts and special treatment.

Bill Cosby has it right. "Social injustice" will never end unless we encourage ALL our kids to aspire to greater things through education.

Rant over

 

[waveflyer]

Agreed 1000%

what responsibility do we all have to make education more equatable?

 

[Benjamin Dover]

Now you've finally got it Wave

"Equitable" education means no more quotas or affirmative action. Merit.

And I've been to the inner city communites you smuggly suggested us white guys go visit. Not much self motivation that I saw - heard many derogatory comments why the "white bread" was volunteering at the soup kitchen in their hood. And should we even go down the road of the teen pregnancy rate I witnessed?

You can't keep blaming this all on "the man". At some point a community must take ownership for their plight and fix it.

 

[westbound]

Anyone know when the latest AE award will be posted?