2000 hour wonders hired at Delta

[BoilerUP]

I got an idea then... lets get rid of all taxes and that way we can all live like it was the reign of King Henry VIII again... the poor can just struggle and make due with what the Church can give them, and the rich and powerful can live in castles and collect the fruits of their land and capital.

I've got a better idea.

How about we scrap the progressive federal income tax system and shift to a flat tax/FairTax? No income tax and instead a federal sales tax on all purchases (perhaps with an exemption for things like food, etc). That way, everybody pays taxes based on their consumption.

Isn't it "fair" to require everyone to contribute to the national coffers?

Think of how much spending could be shaved from the federal budget if you didn't need tens of thousands of IRS employees to manage, collect, and litigate based on a stupidly complicated tax code...

 

[dillfer]

God- the dumb political one liner- "you think the govt can spend your money better than you..."
What a bullsh/t statement

Actually that would be a "bullsh/t" question waveflyer. Just because you've heard it before, that doesn't make it a dumb political one liner. If you can't understand that the wealthy already pay there fair share of taxes than you are a moron. Give the rich back more of there money and they will spend it. Pretty easy to figure out. Either by job creation or by spending it on sh!t that supports everybody else. And no, I don't think the government can spend my money better than I can. Glad to see that you do. Keep volunteering your time. It's very noble of you. What you ought to do is donate at least half your check every month to the charity of your choice. That's what the rich do, although they don't get to pick the charity.

 

[HA25]

Give the rich back more of there money and they will spend it. ...

really?? I don't know too many "rich" people living paycheck to paycheck... most of them just take the money over and above what they spend and save it.. or invest it into global funds, bonds and other intangibles..

 

[IAHERJ]

The problem with giving the "rich" more money is that they don't spend it the way the middle class spends it. Robert Reich accurately points out in his new book that part of the problem in the last recession was the "idle rich" making outlandish investments(derivatives etc.) that sped up the crash we saw. They don't tend to purchase goods etc. made in this country. They invest in speculative investments that will garner big returns in the "virtual" marketplace.

 

[BoilerUP]

The problem with giving the "rich" more money is that they don't spend it the way the middle class spends it.

True...but in the case of the "rich" who derive their wealth from the value of their businesses, they use "more money" to make capital expenditures that help that business grow (computers, cars, property, aircraft, desks, hiring new staff, etc).

All those things help the economy grow, which is why it is universally accepted that raising taxes in the midst of an economic downturn is economically stupid.

Like anything there are many shades of gray, and many different levels of "wealth". I'm not talking about Wall Street billionaires and F500-CEOs with a net worth in the 9 figure range...but those considered "rich" by you and me and many others who put their wealth to work on a daily basis in a way that not only increases their bottom line, but provides massive economic benefits for local & national economies.

Think about what is happening in Wichita right now. Tens of thousands of aerospace workers have been laid off from Cessna, Bombardier & HawkerBeech due to the sharp drop in aircraft orders. Who buys a "luxury" new business jets? Businesses & the "fat cat" wealthy. In the case of Wichita and the state of Kansas as a whole, their economy is falling off a cliff with huge unemployment and cascading business failures because of 1. the economic downturn and 2. the vilification of the "rich".

I'm not giving the "reckless rich" a free pass on their greedy actions that helped sharpen the pain we've all felt...but again, there are many shades of gray when it comes to the "rich" that don't tend to fit populist talking points.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Its funny how you folks stick up for the rich. The richest guy on the board is probably NJOwner (with all due respect), shuffling around from deal to deal. Not a line pilot or an NJ pilot or retired "millionaire" pilot. You're all broke in comparison.

 

[jonjuan]

Its funny how you folks stick up for the rich. The richest guy on the board is probably NJOwner (with all due respect), shuffling around from deal to deal. Not a line pilot or an NJ pilot or retired "millionaire" pilot. You're all broke in comparison.

Jealous much? Don't be a hater.

 

[HA25]

True...but in the case of the "rich" who derive their wealth from the value of their businesses, they use "more money" to make capital expenditures that help that business grow (computers, cars, property, aircraft, desks, hiring new staff, etc).

So would you mind explaining to us the 2,000,000,000,000 in cash sitting in the coffers of big business today that could otherwise be used to invest in new jobs, manufacturing, equipment or God forbid higher wages (and thus more spending by us consumers)? There is a record amount of idle capital on hand today and giving them further tax cuts (or keeping the Bush tax cuts) will not suddenly and magically loosen their wallets..

Not advocating all out socialism, but there is a happy balance... and the pendulum has been swinging towards business since the early 80's... the same time debt has sky rocketed.. productivity has sky rocketed and wages and quality of life have taken a plunge..

What's wrong with this picture?

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Jealous much? Don't be a hater.

I am jealous (who wouldn't be), but realistic. I know what benefits me and my ilk. What some espouse here on the board is not in their best interest, especially when it comes to taxes.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

So would you mind explaining to us the 2,000,000,000,000 in cash sitting in the coffers of big business today that could otherwise be used to invest in new jobs, manufacturing, equipment or God forbid higher wages (and thus more spending by us consumers)? There is a record amount of idle capital on hand today and giving them further tax cuts (or keeping the Bush tax cuts) will not suddenly and magically loosen their wallets..

Not advocating all out socialism, but there is a happy balance... and the pendulum has been swinging towards business since the early 80's... the same time debt has sky rocketed.. productivity has sky rocketed and wages and quality of life have taken a plunge..

What's wrong with this picture?

Interest rates are low. Companies are borrowing and saving, but not hiring. They're financing their future, now, while rates are low. It's not trickling down at all.

 

[CessnaFan]

It's rather simple really....

All that you have to do is read the business journals and you'll see 2 very common themes throughout the majority of interviews:

1 - The business community understands that the current prez is anti-business and they have ZERO confidence in him leading this country out of the recession sooner rather than later.

2 - The business community is not sure what the cost to them is going to be with mandatory healthcare, wall street reform, new taxes, etc, etc, so they are preparing for the worst and hoarding their cash.

So would you mind explaining to us the 2,000,000,000,000 in cash sitting in the coffers of big business today that could otherwise be used to invest in new jobs, manufacturing, equipment or God forbid higher wages (and thus more spending by us consumers)? There is a record amount of idle capital on hand today and giving them further tax cuts (or keeping the Bush tax cuts) will not suddenly and magically loosen their wallets..

Not advocating all out socialism, but there is a happy balance... and the pendulum has been swinging towards business since the early 80's... the same time debt has sky rocketed.. productivity has sky rocketed and wages and quality of life have taken a plunge..

What's wrong with this picture?

 

[waveflyer]

All that you have to do is read the business journals and you'll see 2 very common themes throughout the majority of interviews:

1 - The business community understands that the current prez is anti-business and they have ZERO confidence in him leading this country out of the recession sooner rather than later.

2 - The business community is not sure what the cost to them is going to be with mandatory healthcare, wall street reform, new taxes, etc, etc, so they are preparing for the worst and hoarding their cash.

More like they are holding the economy hostage until their raping and pillaging is allowed again

 

[HA25]

More like they are holding the economy hostage until their raping and pillaging is allowed again

+1 baby!

 

[Amish RakeFight]

more like they are holding the economy hostage until their raping and pillaging is allowed again

+1...

 

[IAHERJ]

Agreed

 

[Amish RakeFight]

All that you have to do is read the business journals and you'll see 2 very common themes throughout the majority of interviews:

1 - The business community understands that the current prez is anti-business and they have ZERO confidence in him leading this country out of the recession sooner rather than later.

2 - The business community is not sure what the cost to them is going to be with mandatory healthcare, wall street reform, new taxes, etc, etc, so they are preparing for the worst and hoarding their cash.

I agree that they aren't onboard with the President...nor the Country's economy. More of the same from corporate America.

 

[dillfer]

Its funny how you folks stick up for the rich. The richest guy on the board is probably NJOwner (with all due respect), shuffling around from deal to deal. Not a line pilot or an NJ pilot or retired "millionaire" pilot. You're all broke in comparison.

I have to be rich now to stick up for the rich? And what does the richest guy on the board have to do with anything? Kind of a goofy post. The poorest guy on this board is still richer than 90% of the people in the world too. But really has nothing to do with where this thread has been going for the last 10 pages. Business owners are hording money because they don't have confidence in the direction of the US. But you guys already know that. You're all sharp guys.

More like they are holding the economy hostage until their raping and pillaging is allowed again

Pretty funny jab though anyway.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I saw the New-hire "First All-black-all-female" ASA crew Captain walking around the Delta Campus a few days ago. It must have been true about the VP of diversity saying she would be the first new-hire.

Anybody flown with her?

 

[Gorditas]

I saw the New-hire "First All-black-all-female" ASA crew Captain walking around the Delta Campus a few days ago. It must have been true about the VP of diversity saying she would be the first new-hire.

Anybody flown with her?

I did when she was still an FO. Excellent pilot, great attitude. I have no doubt that there are some who get their job because of a quota, but I personally believe that in this case, she is qualified.

Now, why we need a VP of diversity is the real question.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I did when she was still an FO. Excellent pilot, great attitude. I have no doubt that there are some who get their job because of a quota, but I personally believe that in this case, she is qualified.

Now, why we need a VP of diversity is the real question.

Good enough for me.....somebody who has flown with her has all the credibility in this case. The guy I was in the hall with told me it was her. I looked it up online and sure enough.....

Leo Mullin and his 43 thieves (VPs)......how many we got now, any idea?

 

[aland504]

I'm not trying to come off as superior but when you are comparing a guy coming up through regional training and saying more folks would rather fly with them then a 1500 hr Mil guy. I have to completely disagree. Look at the Colgan accident. Guys (and the gal) can sneak through the regional training into a 121 glass cockpit. You think the colgan capt would have made it through all the training that 1500 hr F16 guy made it through? You think he's the only one out there?

You do fail to see it cause you haven't been through the training. Like you I've instructed but as a T-38 IP. We had to non fighter qual quite a few regional airline pilot guard guys (many with 3000+ crj time) . They often just couldn't keep up with the jet. Let's face we all like this airline flying cause it is, 99% of the time, it's a very easy job and pays pretty well (oneday hopefully......), but when the proverbial you know what hits the fan, I would rather have that F16 guy up there. Sorry I know that offends you but from the original posters theory that most would want to be flown by a 3000 hr 121 guy vs a 1500hr F16 guy, I very much disagree....

I'm just saying....

I'm just saying shut up... Just everyone shut up and get over yourself. It's pathetic. Just respect everyone and where they come from. People are different, have we still not learned this by year 2010?????

 

[goahead]

I did when she was still an FO. Excellent pilot, great attitude. I have no doubt that there are some who get their job because of a quota, but I personally believe that in this case, she is qualified.

Now, why we need a VP of diversity is the real question.

Not to start an argument but when I flew with her when she was a F/O at AS it was the opposite. Attitude bad, flying marginal

 

[79%N1]

The other member of the crew that was also hired at Delta allegedly did not pass check ride coming back from furlough a few weeks before Delta interview.....welcome aboard!

 

[CessnaFan]

Come on, it's all in the training.....

Is anyone on this board gonna come out an actually say that military training is not better than civilian?

The Mil vs Civ thing is a false debate.. it's all supply and demand.. There are times (such as in the build up post-9/11), wars, build ups that the military has a lot of need for pilots and the requirements aren't as strict, othertimes during drawdowns and budget cuts, you'd need to be top of your class or graduate of an academy to get a flying slot.. Just as with the regular pilot job market... supply dictates the caliber of the individual selected.. and then there is the whole female thing... there is a double standard and what women are required to bring to the table is short of what a man is.

All else being equal, I'd say military pilots are better vetted but not necessarily better pilots... anyone who's flown long enough knows that.

 

[waveflyer]

Is anyone on this board gonna come out an actually say that military training is not better than civilian?

Navy is. Air force, not necessarily.
Civ world is too varied to make any broad judgements about- but I know I'd rather fly an airline line with the "best" Civ guy than with the "best" mil guy- largely bc of how they define the term "best"

 

[asadonkey]

On that topic... My wife has a masters in Ed and has taught in everything from inner city type schools (when we lived in ATL, she taught at Riverside school in Maybleton) and she's taught at schools in far more affluent areas as well. We also have our two kids now in a public school which ranks as one of the best schools in the state (public or private).. it's not so much about whether the school is public or not, but more to do with the quality of the neighborhood which feeds into it, the parental involvement in their kids education, and other local factors. This is why many realtors will tell you that whether you have school age kids or not, paying attention to the schools attributed to the home you're buying is a huge factor in keeping your home's value strong.

btw, it was nice to hear from you old pal..

The town is called MABLETON
I get scared to go vote in that "school"
Government can do nothing right...if they can't keep you safe or fix potholes, why shoud you send you children there?

 

[Ad Lib]

I saw the New-hire "First All-black-all-female" ASA crew Captain walking around the Delta Campus a few days ago. It must have been true about the VP of diversity saying she would be the first new-hire.

Anybody flown with her?

Bill,

Met her twice, flew with her once. One of my favorites to fly with. Professional, friendly, likes flying.

She could have come to Delta in 2007. So no, she was not the first and she absolutely did not use any unfair advantage in getting on board.

Good on Delta for getting her on board. Hope we get to fly together.

 

[CessnaFan]

Excellent, love to hear that

She's got her hands full fighting all the stereotype crap, so congrats and good luck to her. She is a GREAT inspiration for minority kids....

Bill,

Met her twice, flew with her once. She is really a neat person. Good pilot, friendly, confident yet humble. She is a pilot and a professional first. Also, generous and has a good sense of humor. One of my favorites to fly with.

 

[Ad Lib]

She's got her hands full fighting all the stereotype crap, so congrats and good luck to her. She is a GREAT inspiration for minority kids....

Yes. ...

 

[JOPILOT]

New thread please. Give the girl a break, god knows no one else is going to around
here.

JP