2000 hour wonders hired at Delta

[waveflyer]

I think you've drawn the wrong conclusions ben

 

[regionalcap]

Anyone know when the latest AE award will be posted?

No certain date...it is usually a few days or so after the bid closes.

 

[Dizel8]

It is about the lack of minorities in THIS COUNTRY to promote education.

I disagree somewhat, there are minorities in whose culture a good education is highly prized.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I disagree somewhat, there are minorities in whose culture a good education is highly prized.

Yes, you are 100% correct. And I believe it is mostly because of the expectations of both the culture and the parents of those children.

They EXPECT their children to go to school and become successful. These groups would be extremely disappointed if their child became a drug dealer, a thief and a drain on society.

There are groups however, that seem to accept and even revere the thug lifestyle and their kids usually don't dissapoint them.

 

[sayrejm]

Does anybody really believe that if our country is 18% African-American, yet only 5% of pilots or doctors, lawyers, are black, that it is a "failure" of the system?

Does the fact that 88% of our inmates are comprised from just 18% of our population mean that the criminal justice system is broken? No they are for the same reason.

It is about the lack of minorities in THIS COUNTRY to promote education. In most "ethnic" areas a kid will be ridiculed for being smart or doing homework or god forbid reading a book outside of school. The only way "out" is to be an athelete or rapper.
Instead of encouraging minority youths to be the best they can be and to study, we have the Al Sharptons of the world screaming for handouts and special treatment.

Bill Cosby has it right. "Social injustice" will never end unless we encourage ALL our kids to aspire to greater things through education.

Rant over

READ A BOOK!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlKL_EpnSp8

Clean Version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgcZNpmOKuk

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Against my better judgement, I'll throw in my opinion.

The starting point needs to be our school systems and educating kids to give them the tools to be succesful in the "Real World."

My wife and I researched all of the different Elementary, Junior and Senior High Schools in our School District, to see which ones would benefit our children (ie give them the best chance to be succesful as adults) When we ranked the schools from top to bottom, we then looked at homes in those neighborhoods. What we found was that the better schools were located in the neighborhoods that were more expensive and tended to be "White Collar" demographically.

No suprise there, the better schools are in the better neighborhoods crime wise as well according to our police department's website.

So it takes money to get a better home, in a better school district, in a low crime area, but how do you get there? Apparently, better schools, lead to better educations, which leads to better jobs, which leads you to start the cycle all over again with your own children.

The problem is, how do you break that cycle for the people who are stuck in the poor neighborhoods, with poor schools, in high crime areas?

Role models are most definately important as well. Children need to see people who they can identify with, to help them realize that they can also achieve the same things that they are witnessing. (first generation to maybe go to college, get a stable salaried position, move into a home and out of an apartment, etc.)

Go into these areas that need help, try and keep the kids focussed on education, staying out of trouble, and hope that you can break the cycle one person at a time.

 

[SLUF4]

It all goes back to the parents-educators can only do so much. So change your starting point from the schools to the parents is what I would say.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

It all goes back to the parents-educators can only do so much. So change your starting point from the schools to the parents is what I would say.

Yes, parents too. I did leave them out for some reason.

Educators can only do so much, however if a child comes from a family who has never had a parent/relative go to college, than most likely a teacher or some other mentor/role model needs to be there.

But yes, parents are supposed to be our biggest role models. Sluf, are you Charles Barkely in real life?

 

[SLUF4]

I'm no role model haha. But this is a crazy thread. It really covers all sorts of topics. But, I think there are a few factors besides the parents of course. If there's a horrible school system (ATL city comes to mind) teachers don't want to work there. There are some exceptions, but most teachers want to work for a system that has a good superintendent and management structure in place. It's no different from any other jobs. These bad schools can't attract good teachers and the cycle continues.

 

[Chubaka]

Delta..............One big happy family.

 

[waveflyer]

Wait- so let's say your a poor person who grew up in a crappy education system under the guidance of parents who never learned how to be successful, and never got out of your neighborhood- let's assume you're a good person- hold down a job you can get- how would you be able to teach your kids how to be successful when you haven't learned how yourself??? And that's the best scenario- what about all the kids who are more mature than their addicted selfish lazy parents?

Sorry- but we are all blessed and lucky to have been born in this country. No matter how hard we worked to become a success, it is our responsibility as successful products of America to teach and show others and especially the down and out, how to become successful.

Responsibility. I use that word on purpose.

 

[CessnaFan]

Military time has TREMENDOUS value

Yes, someone who can see the big picture and look past the numbers! It amazes me that most folks just don't get this....

I'd have to say that I disagree. Anyone flying an F-16 in the military not only completed military flight school, (which is great training), but also completed fighter tactical training, which has a very high fail out rate. This shows that the applicant is sharp and has well above average airmanship abilities, thus do well in 121 training.

 

[BoilerUP]

Wait- so let's say your a poor person who grew up in a crappy education system under the guidance of parents who never learned how to be successful, and never got out of your neighborhood- let's assume you're a good person- hold down a job you can get- how would you be able to teach your kids how to be successful when you haven't learned how yourself???

Growing up, I had a good friend who was the son of a single mom, who had a fraternal twin sister as well as a younger sister. His mom worked two jobs and busted her ass to provide for her kids, and while they were the definition of "living on the margin" they never lacked what they needed. Their mom (who one could argue "never learned how to be successful" herself) was hard on them in sports, and even harder on them in school.

His senior year of high school, he was offered multiple scholarships at (football) second-tier Division I/IA colleges as an offensive guard in football...but decided to take the full academic scholarship he earned to PRINCETON instead.

Yes, we're all blessed & lucky to have been born in America...but everybody has an opportunity to succeed and excel in their life, even those born into poverty.

 

[waveflyer]

When they don't take that opportunity- we all lose a bit. Them mostly, but us too.
All of you can run to your gated communities and convince yourself that you both need and deserve that Lexus while doing nothing to help the hungry in THIS country- and I'll still be here practicing what I preach and saying strongly that you ought to be giving more -
In this scenario- your time is more valuable than all your tax money combined. Every ghetto kid I've met looks up to airline pilots.

 

[dillfer]

When they don't take that opportunity- we all lose a bit. Them mostly, but us too.
All of you can run to your gated communities and convince yourself that you both need and deserve that Lexus while doing nothing to help the hungry in THIS country- and I'll still be here practicing what I preach and saying strongly that you ought to be giving more -
In this scenario- your time is more valuable than all your tax money combined. Every ghetto kid I've met looks up to airline pilots.

Exactly what I'm talking about. Why should our tax money go to people who are less fortunate. They're will always be good hearted people like waveflyer to do what needs to be done to help the needy. And I would sure think that if things got really bad that you'd have more millionaire's and billionaires doing what they can to help too. Especially if you gave them back more of their money. I know I wouldn't let my neighbor starve. I doubt many people would.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

So it takes money to get a better home, in a better school district, in a low crime area, but how do you get there? Apparently, better schools, lead to better educations, which leads to better jobs, which leads you to start the cycle all over again with your own children.

The problem is, how do you break that cycle for the people who are stuck in the poor neighborhoods, with poor schools, in high crime areas?

Role models are most definately important as well. Children need to see people who they can identify with, to help them realize that they can also achieve the same things that they are witnessing. (first generation to maybe go to college, get a stable salaried position, move into a home and out of an apartment, etc.)

Go into these areas that need help, try and keep the kids focussed on education, staying out of trouble, and hope that you can break the cycle one person at a time.

Sociologically, it's been shown that most people remain in the same socio-economic class they were born into. One generally has more intra-mobility within their class, rather than inter-mobility between classes.

Yes, role models are important. This was the reason behind "busing" - to teach, impart or inculcate through osmosis, "white sensibilities" into minorites. It was thought that social intelligence was an advantage of White or affluent youth, and by exposing them to it, it would create a more competitive minority.

A common criticism in the Black community re: advancement is that when successful blacks move out of the neighborhood, it removes these positive role models available to the youth.

 

[waveflyer]

Not even about race in many parts of the country- it's about poverty lines- and those of us well above will do well spiritually to venture into the impoverished areas more instead of avoiding them

 

[waveflyer]

Vanishing upward mobility and the disappearing middle class is what's wrong with this country:

Since the beginnings of civilization, cities have been crucibles of progress both for societies and individuals. A great city, wrote Rene Descartes in the seventeenth century, represented “an inventory of the possible,” a place where people could create their own futures and lift up their families.

What characterized great cities such as Amsterdam—and, later, places such as London, New York , Chicago, and Tokyo—was the size of their property-owning middle class. This was a class whose roots, for the most part, lay in the peasantry or artisan class, and later among industrial workers. Their ascension into the ranks of the bourgeoisie, petit or haute, epitomized the opportunities for social advancement created uniquely by cities.

In the twenty-first century—the first in which the majority of people will live in cities—this unique link between urbanism and upward mobility is under threat. Urban boosters still maintain that big cities remain unique centers for social uplift, but evidence suggests this is increasingly no longer the case.

This process reflects a shift in economic and social realities over the past few decades. For example, according to a recent Brookings Institution study, New York and Los Angeles have, among all U.S. cities, the smallest share of middle-income neighborhoods. In 1980, Manhattan ranked 17th among the nation’s counties for social inequality; by 2007 it ranked first, with the top fifth earning 52 times that of the lowest fifth, a disparity roughly comparable to that of Namibia.

President Obama’s hometown of Chicago shows much the same pattern, according to a recent survey by Crain’s Chicago Business. Conditions have improved for a relative handful of neighborhoods close to the highly globalized central businesses. But for many neighborhoods things have not improved, and in some cases have deteriorated. Even before the recession there were fewer jobs than in 1989 and fewer opportunities for the middle class, many of whom—including more than 100,000 African-Americans—have left the city over the past decade.

This pattern does not reflect perverse conditions unique to the United States, as many academics and progressive pundits often suggest. Between 1970 and 2001, the percentage of middle-income neighborhoods in Toronto dropped from two-thirds to one-third, while poor districts had more than doubled to 41 percent. According to the University of Toronto, by 2020, middle-class neighborhoods could account for barely less than 10 percent of the population, with the balance made up of both affluent and poor residents.

Similarly, Tokyo, once widely seen as an exemplar of egalitarianism, is transforming. The city’s post–World War II boom yielded a thriving middle class and remarkable social mobility. That is now giving way to a society where wealth is increasingly concentrated. The poverty rate, including some 15,000 homeless people, has risen steadily to the highest level in decades.

Much the same process can be seen in great social democratic havens of Europe. In Berlin, Germany’s largest city, unemployment has remained far higher than the national average, with rates at around 15 percent. Some 36 percent of children are poor; many of them are from other countries. The city, notes one left-wing activist, has emerged as “the capital of poverty and the working poor in Germany.”

To a large extent, urban poverty in Berlin and other European megacities is concentrated among Muslim immigrants. Muslims constitute at least 25 percent of the population of Marseilles and Rotterdam, 20 percent of Malmo, 15 percent of Birmingham, and 10 percent or more of London, Paris, and Copenhagen. Over the next few decades, according to a recent Pew Research Center study, Muslims will constitute a majority of the population in several of these European cities.

The Case of London

Perhaps nowhere is the growing class divide more evident than in London, perhaps the world’s most important megacity. Despite a massive expansion of Britain’s huge welfare state, the ladder for upward mobility seems broken, especially in London. This represents a dramatic shift from the period after World War II. In the ensuing decades, incomes for most Londoners grew, access to education expanded, and the sharply drawn and notorious class lines began to blur.

But contemporary London’s emergence as the headquarters of globalization has had widely differentiated impacts on class. On the one hand, it has paced the emergence of the West End. Many once hardscrabble neighborhoods—including Shoreditch, Islington, and Putney—have gentrified. Yet walk a bare half mile or less from the Thames River, particularly to the south, and you encounter many marginal, and often dismal, districts. These areas have not much benefited from the global economy and are inhabited largely by those who survive at the expanding bottom of the wage profile.

Equally troubling, globalization’s benefits have disproportionately accrued to those already possessing considerable means; the ranks of top professionals, according to a 2009 report by the British government’s social mobility task force, have been increasingly dominated by the children of the wealthiest families.

Even less noted has been London’s deepening concentration of poverty. Today more than one-third of the children in inner London are living in poverty, as are one in five in the outer ring communities. London has the highest incidence of child poverty in Great Britain, even more than the beleaguered Northeast.

Poverty also affects 30 percent of working-age adults, more than one-third of pensioners in inner London, and roughly one in five in outer London. The inner London rates are the worst in Britain. More than 1 million Londoners were on public support in 2002. These figures are certain to become worse as a result of the recession that began in 2008.

The conditions are certainly not as extreme as those recorded in Friedrich Engels’s searing 1844 tome, The Condition of the Working Class in England, but there remains a macabre relationship between mortality and geography. Steve Norris, a former Conservative Party chairman and onetime head of London Transport, notes that public health data published by the King's Fund demonstrates that life expectancy in the poorer parts of east London is 4.5 years lower than in West London. That's six months for every station east of Waterloo on the Jubilee Line. This poverty, Norris adds, extends to many white Londoners. They often live cheek to jowl with immigrants, and feel themselves competing for housing, jobs, and government services. The rich, Norris adds, “Buy their way out of poor quality education and healthcare” while the working and middle classes “queue for public housing for themselves and their children.”

Of note is the rise of the phenomena among the white working class described as “yobbism.” Large parts of Britain—including less fashionable corners of London—suffer among the highest rates of alcohol consumption in the advanced industrial world. London School of Economics scholar Dick Hobbs, who grew up in a hardscrabble section of east London, traces this largely to the decline of the blue-collar economy in London. Over the past decade, job gains in Britain, like those in the United States, have been concentrated at the top and bottom of the wage profile. The growth in real earnings for blue-collar professions—in industry, warehousing, and construction—generally has lagged those of white-collar workers.

One other thing is clear: the welfare state has not reversed the growing class divide. Despite its proletarian roots, New Labour, as London Mayor Boris Johnson acidly notes, has presided over what has become the most socially immobile society in Europe.

The Role of Housing and ‘the Green Factor’

Housing costs have exacerbated these conditions. Due largely to restrictions on new housing on the periphery, London now ranks, next to Vancouver, as the most expensive city to buy a house in the English-speaking world. Estimates by the Centre for Social Justice finds that unaffordability for first-time buyers doubled between 1997 and 2007. This has led to a surge in waiting lists for government-funded “social housing”; by mid-2008, some 2 million households (5 million people) were on the waiting list for such housing. In London, this number reached one in ten in 2008.

Broad-based economic growth might seem the most logical solution to this dilemma. In the past, socialists, liberals, and conservatives might vigorously have debated various approaches, but generally agreed about the desired end result: shrinking slums and expanding opportunity for the middle or working class. Today, however, many urban “progressives” do not trouble themselves overmuch about the hoi polloi. Instead, they are more likely to devise policies to lure the much-ballyhooed “creative class” of well-educated, often childless, high-end workers to their cities. This goes along as well with an increased focus on aesthetic and “green” issues.

In many ways, these approaches actually work at cross-purposes with upward mobility. Green-oriented policies are often hostile to “carbon intensive” industries such as manufacturing, warehousing, or construction that employ middle-income workers. Green policies implicitly tilt towards industries such as media, entertainment, and finance that employ the best-situated social classes.

Indeed, some climate change enthusiasts, such as The Guardian’s George Monbiot, see their cause in quasi-religious terms. In Monbiot’s words, he is waging “a battle to redefine humanity.” In his view, we must terminate the economic “age of heroism,” supplanting the “expanders” with anti-growth “restrainers.”

 

[waveflyer]

This is not just the latest edition of British “loony Left” thinking. President Obama’s own science advisor, John Holdren, long has embraced the notion of what he calls “de-development” of Western economies to a lower level of affluence. Such approaches impose enormous costs on both the middle and working classes in European and North American cities, particularly given the unlikelihood of similar restrictions on competitors in China, India, Russia, and other countries. A huge shift to renewable fuels, for example, could quadruple the cost of energy in Britain, forcing a large percentage of the population into “fuel poverty.”

Key Focus: Economic Growth

The emerging class conflict in the great global cities ultimately could have many ill effects. Persistently high unemployment and underemployment in British metropolitan areas, for example, has spurred nativist sentiment and intolerance towards immigrants. This is true in America today as well. But views towards immigrants generally soften as an economy improves. Broad-based prosperity is a good antidote for intolerance.

Attacking the class gap requires a redefinition of current views about the overused term “sustainability.” This concept needs to be expanded beyond its conventional environmental definition to reflect broader social and economic values as well. It is one thing to consider how, in an era dominated by dispersed work, core cities might still attract those elite workers needing direct “face-to-face contact.” It is quite another to develop strategies so that the vast majority will be able to find work doing anything other than servicing the needs of the upper echelons.

In turning away from the fundamental issues of economic growth and upward mobility, these cities are in danger of permanently undermining the very thing that has made great cities so attractive over the centuries. The ultimate worth of urbanity lies in its ability to deliver a better life, not only to the established affluent and the most skilled, but to that broader population who, like others over the millennia, come to a big city to create a better life.

This article originally appeared at The American.

Joel Kotkin is executive editor of NewGeography.com and is a distinguished presidential fellow in urban futures at Chapman University. He is author of The City: A Global History

 

[CessnaFan]

Is this Michelle Obama????

Remember her famous quote about folks like myself being "ignorant for not sitting down in a public cafeteria and eating lunch with someone less well off than yourself"?

The bleeding hearts among us can't control others lives. We'll do well spiritually by doing what makes US happy, not by what YOU think makes us happy......

Not even about race in many parts of the country- it's about poverty lines- and those of us well above will do well spiritually to venture into the impoverished areas more instead of avoiding them