2000 hour wonders hired at Delta

[UALRATT]

it's pathetic what the world has come to! I wish I was born 100 years ago!

...and I was BLACK... to finish up your sentence!

 

[waveflyer]

Bend over
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have white people ever been discriminated against in the NBA. If they can compete has there ever been an external obstacle to their success?

The answer to that is no.

And the NBA is much whiter than it was in the 90's-

By the way the single biggest factor to so many black people in pro sports is the "nothing to lose" factor- white kids tend to see a future in other professional fields and often chase that as the easier more available and comfortable option. The same is happening with black kids as education and careers become more available.

I think it's ignorant and easy for you guys to pretend that racism and sexism isn't and wasn't as rampant as it is and was. That a society can literally kill, maim, enslave, forbid education and then things will all be better as soon as we stop. It's ridiculous. If even half of you have ever spent any time in black communities I'd give you a little more credit-

As it is- my vote still stands for giving preferential opportunities and help in achieving the same standards.

 

[waveflyer]

Man, did I evar start ignoring this guy just in time.

I'm sure it's much easier to "debate" with those who agree with you.

Coward.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

I see what you're saying. It seems to me like a safer bet to go with people who have the most accident free experience under their belts. But why do you think they interview and hire guys and girls who have less than 2000 hours, no PIC, and in the case of the guy I know, only one rec letter from a very junior FO? He had no family connections, was not a minority, and was just a generally decent guy.

I don't think Delta HR cares how much dues we've paid, they sent away a military guy who had 20+ years of serving our country. As it should be, he was probably a jerk.

It would be interesting to sit in on their pre hiring meetings and hear how they construct their ideal candidate, and how they differentiate between thousands of applications.

Yes, I'd be very interested to know what their HR was thinking, but not for the same reasons you are...

 

[dillfer]

Jesus waveflyer do you live here? Where do you find the time to post that much sh@t and find articles to support your theories. I wish that I had the time to argue with you, but it would just take up too much of my day. With you posting 4 posts for every one of mine, there's no way I could win.

Yes I am conservative. Government has no business in my business. That goes along with telling me who to hire. None of there business. You can't honestly believe that lowering the standards for FireMEN so that more women can pass is a good thing. Same for police officers. Some professions need a little discrimination. Men and women will never be equal as long as men are stronger than women. There I said it. And it's true, even if your political correctness will not allow you to believe it. There are exceptions to that rule, but generally it's true.

All that Affirmative action does is keep race at the front of everybody's mind. Hire the best person for the job. "Don't judge by the color of someones skin but by the content of there character." As a wiseman once said. Hire the best person for the job, don't hire the guy that's going to allow you to check a box. Don't lower the standards to get a different race, or a different sex into that seat.

And you don't honestly believe that the majority of Americans are racist. We just voted a black president into the white house. There will always be racists, not much you can do about that. But I would argue that there are less racists in America now than there ever has been, and that Affirmative Action programs are hindering more than they're helping.

 

[waveflyer]

Are you one of those guys that want torepeal the civil rights act?

It is a shame that we have to have those laws- but you don't have the right to discriminate - sorry your view of freedom is that YOU are "free" to deny the "freedom" of others.

The rest of your post is just naive dilfer

 

[inline]

I agree 100% (the most amount permitted a white male) and I am a strictly civilian puke. No damned way someone gets to log hour 2 in the .mil if they have dogcrap airmanship skillz.

"civilian puke"? you sound like the Woody Allen of pilots. Do you shine the shoes of the military pilots at work too?

 

[inline]

Really? I think you'd have trouble defending that view with most conservatives, much less me.

Again- are you a conservative? Bc your post illustrates the major flaw of the conservative mindset-

You want to legislate things in a "perfect world"- you know, the one where kids will actually be abstinent, where drug users won't use, where everyone will be "responsible" and never be the wrong kind of greedy.

Liberals tend to legislate for the real world- the one we actually live in where mankind is flawed but with intelligent regulation ORDER can be had-

Every liberal wishes that there wasn't a need for Aff Action programs- that there is no discrimination- yet the evidence tells different story. Your own post illustrates your desire to have the freedom to discriminate without limit. This is simply not allowed in this country as determined by the constitution and the supreme court's interpretation of it. Now you and I can argue against brown v board of education or the Bollinger cases until we are blue in the face- but the bottom line is that discrimination still exists and laws to ensure fair employment are an asset to this country.

You'll just have to live with the fact that this country is NOT ALL white- and you might have to fly with a girl or a black guy sometimes.

God forbid.

Wrong. It's a racial and sexist preference pure and simple and state sponsored discrimination. That's reason 12,894 why I don't vote for democrats.

 

[waveflyer]

As Clinton once said- "if you want to live like a republican, you better vote democrat."

it is telling- you guys get so pissed at the little bit of sexism and racism that you "endure" - yet have no empathy for those who live with the real thing all their lives.

C'mon man- it's not fair, but you just got to pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

This isn't a chicken or egg scenario- AA was begun to fight real discrimination bc the good ole boys wouldn't do it voluntarily. - we're getting there- just not there yet-

 

[JoeMerchant]

Affirmative action simply perpetuates racism by:

1. Saying that women/minorities need "special" help because they can't do it on their own....This alone is an insult to those who earn it based on ability instead of skin color or sex...

2. It uses skin color and sex as a basis of choice, which is by it's definition "racism"....

Pick the best candidates regardless of skin color or sex...Don't give preference to people because of sex or skin color...

 

[Tweaker]

"civilian puke"? you sound like the Woody Allen of pilots. Do you shine the shoes of the military pilots at work too?

It's a common slang term that they are familiar with, Francis. Simma down nah.

What I do do is possess an appropriate mix of gratitude and respect for those who agree to potentially sacrifice their lives in the defense of our country. I also say politely, "thank your for YOUR service to OUR country" to any person who has made that decision. Not just fighter jocks, that I also don't sniff.


You sound like the Michael Moore of Pilots. I prefer being Woody-like, but I won't go so far as boning my adopted asian daughter.

 

[dillfer]

The rest of your post is just naive dilfer

C'mon man, I thought the rest of my post was pretty good. Maybe a little oversimplified, but I thought that you would respond a little bit better than that. And dillfer has to L's.

And no, I don't want to repeal the civil rights act.

 

[grinder]

I left the mil and went straight to training at a regional on twin engined props. The training was weak. My captain sim partner kept crashing on V1 Cuts and it was me, the new FO, that demonstrated how to keep it headed down the centerline because the instructer just kept saying try it again instead of showing the technique. I went to a major and had great training, but after 9-11 and bankruptcy, it too was watered down to the minimum. I always thought for the most part the guys were great mil or civ, but the training was definitely better in the military because money is much less of an issue. That being said, some of my funnest and most challenging flying was at the regional. Good times in the upper midwest.

Grinder

 

[P38JLightning]

http://www.asktheharvardmba.com/2009/06/27/why-do-asian-women-prefer-white-men-seriously-why/


“Why do Asian women prefer white men? Seriously… why?”

The Harvard MBA says:

The single greatest contribution to any thread on any topic in the history of the WORLD!

 

[Dizel8]

"The fact that affirmative action is meant to ensure that a qualified person will not be denied an opportunity because of race, gender and other factors is generally ignored."

In other words, if the qualifications of two individuals are the same, then gender or race mustn't be used as a deciding factor, a premise that is eminently fair. Coversely, allowances shouldn't be made, that allows an individuals minority status to trump the need for qualifications.

The NBA, the NFL etc., etc., don't have quotas nor do we want them to, we want them to have the very best players. We also want the very best doctors, pilots,astronauts without having to use quotas.