2000 hour wonders hired at Delta

[waveflyer]

How about we pass a law that bans giving preferential treatment based on gender or race. Oh wait.

There isn't a law that bans "preferential treatment", there's one that bans "discrimination"-- and you know that every affirmative action law on the books arises from those laws. If you don't like it, maybe you should talk to your father and ask why they were so blatantly discriminatory in their hiring practices.

One day we'll be able to do w/o AA laws- we just aren't there yet

 

[HA25]

There isn't a law that bans "preferential treatment", there's one that bans "discrimination"-- and you know that every affirmative action law on the books arises from those laws. If you don't like it, maybe you should talk to your father and ask why they were so blatantly discriminatory in their hiring practices.

One day we'll be able to do w/o AA laws- we just aren't there yet

We're so long past it, it's not even funny.. what planet are you living on??

And while we're on the subject of qualifications.. what about hight, weight and strength requirements being ruled as discriminatory by some liberal courts just because statistically they're not likely to play a role in safety? and because they were "arbitrarily" discriminating against women? (The UAL Case). What if we applied that logic to having one drink 7 hours before a flight? I'm sure statistically it's hardly going to affect safety, but would they dare?

Ever try to fly a DC10 or 727 with 2 engines out? strength and height are a major factor in the outcome.

 

[lindsaya99]

There isn't a law that bans "preferential treatment", there's one that bans "discrimination"-- and you know that every affirmative action law on the books arises from those laws. If you don't like it, maybe you should talk to your father and ask why they were so blatantly discriminatory in their hiring practices.

One day we'll be able to do w/o AA laws- we just aren't there yet

He is dead so I'll just have to ask you. WTF are you talking about? I could care less about what happened twenty or thirty years ago. Discrimination today in the name of "equality" is still wrong.

The subject at hand is why would a company hire ANYONE, regardless of race or gender, that is underqualified for the position. Delta had literally thousands of resumes on hand to fill just a few hundred positions. Many, if not most, of those were high time civilian and military pilots. How then can you explain why they hired female pilots with less than 2K hours and no PIC time? The answer is they specifically sought out women to fill those positions. I.e. They discriminated against male pilots. Happy?

 

[HA25]

I.e. They discriminated against male pilots. Happy?

If I know the mindset of the liberal feminist activist, I assure you that s/he is..

 

[lindsaya99]

If I know the mindset of the liberal feminist activist, I assure you that s/he is..

Yea, I know. Next will come the assertion that I am a male chauvinist and don't believe that women have a role in the workplace. blah, blah, blah....

 

[tomgoodman]

Theftproof

...I pride myself on having a small/cheap watch even though it is counter-culture for a fighter pilot (now airline pilot). :beer:

Oh yeah? Well my watch is even cheaper than your Timex! A mugger took one look at it and gave me a couple of bucks.

 

[Tweaker]

I'm not trying to come off as superior but when you are comparing a guy coming up through regional training and saying more folks would rather fly with them then a 1500 hr Mil guy. I have to completely disagree. Look at the Colgan accident. Guys (and the gal) can sneak through the regional training into a 121 glass cockpit. You think the colgan capt would have made it through all the training that 1500 hr F16 guy made it through? You think he's the only one out there?

You do fail to see it cause you haven't been through the training. Like you I've instructed but as a T-38 IP. We had to non fighter qual quite a few regional airline pilot guard guys (many with 3000+ crj time) . They often just couldn't keep up with the jet. Let's face we all like this airline flying cause it is, 99% of the time, it's a very easy job and pays pretty well (oneday hopefully......), but when the proverbial you know what hits the fan, I would rather have that F16 guy up there. Sorry I know that offends you but from the original posters theory that most would want to be flown by a 3000 hr 121 guy vs a 1500hr F16 guy, I very much disagree....

I'm just saying....

I agree 100% (the most amount permitted a white male) and I am a strictly civilian puke. No damned way someone gets to log hour 2 in the .mil if they have dogcrap airmanship skillz.

 

[Pervis]

Anyone notice that those who claim little to no distinction between civilian and military training/exprerience do so with zero military background?

 

[Hvy]

Anyone notice that those who claim little to no distinction between civilian and military training/exprerience do so with zero military background?

Yes...I have noticed that.

 

[lindsaya99]

Anyone notice that those who claim little to no distinction between civilian and military training/exprerience do so with zero military background?

But don't make the mistake that everyone with zero military time thinks that way. I know you guys work your tails off. AND get to play golf.
Lucky.

 

[HA25]

The Mil vs Civ thing is a false debate.. it's all supply and demand.. There are times (such as in the build up post-9/11), wars, build ups that the military has a lot of need for pilots and the requirements aren't as strict, othertimes during drawdowns and budget cuts, you'd need to be top of your class or graduate of an academy to get a flying slot.. Just as with the regular pilot job market... supply dictates the caliber of the individual selected.. and then there is the whole female thing... there is a double standard and what women are required to bring to the table is short of what a man is.

All else being equal, I'd say military pilots are better vetted but not necessarily better pilots... anyone who's flown long enough knows that.

 

[Quimby]

Anyone notice that those who claim little to no distinction between civilian and military training/exprerience do so with zero military background?

I've flown with really good, ex-mil pilots. I've flown with god-awful, I can't believe you hold a license ex-mil pilots.

I've flown with really good, civilian only pilots. I've flown with god-awful, I can't believe you hold a license civilian only pilots.

See the difference? Some pilots do really well, no matter what they're flying. Some suck, no matter what they're flying.

The end.

 

[SLUF4]

Quimby is right...same goes for the women vs. men debate

 

[Flyer1015]

WTFO!! Are you encouraging sex changes now just to fit into the bottom 2-3% of a white male dominated profession. You my idiot, fall in the top 98 percentile of that group!

As of 2006, just over 6% of certified civilian pilots (both private and commercial) in the U.S. were women.

The percentage of women airline pilots is about 5% worldwide

As of June 2004, United has the most women pilots, a total of 513 on a seniority list totaling over 8800 pilots.

Do the math or just get your sex change done. Your choice!

Of course United has more women and minorities than anyone else. They went on crazy hiring rampages for XX chromosomes and minority (colored) people, while more qualified white people were ignored. Just read online about near accidents by these underqualified quota hire-ees.

It's pathetic what this industry has boiled down to.

 

[HA25]

I read that the number of women professional pilots employed by the major airlines is more than 4:1 disproportionate to the general population of pilots qualified for those jobs.. I believe I read that on the 99's website a while back but I can't for the life of me find it now.. even if it were 1/2 that.. at 2:1.. that would imply a problem in hiring practices. The social engineers would love a world where 1/2 the pilots were women... the other day, the news did a story about how woman are now earning $.83 on ever $1.00 a man earns and lamented in how this must be made more "Fair" no matter what the costs!!

The thing that people don't want to face or understand is that there is always going to be a percentage of women who "choose" to remain at home with their kids.. so that will never be a $1.00/$1.00 ratio unless the social engineers get their way and legislate it with more government regulations and AA programs..

It's not pathetic what the industry has come to... it's pathetic what the world has come to! I wish I was born 100 years ago!

 

[shindler]

few years back a major airline didn't even bother to call me for an interview because of my 2 years of college (instead of 4).At the time my PIC turbine was about 1000 hrs with an excellent record (no failed check rides under part 121 and no violations). On the contrary they hired a girl from the same company with a DWI on her records and no PIC turbine time. Go figure!

 

[jonjuan]

http://www.asktheharvardmba.com/2009/06/27/why-do-asian-women-prefer-white-men-seriously-why/


“Why do Asian women prefer white men? Seriously… why?”

The Harvard MBA says:

Ah yes, this is an oft-observed but seldom-analyzed phenomenon! The key is to focus on a market-driven analysis. The inevitable conclusion is that Asian women prefer white men because white men prefer Asian women.

The concept of market segmentation is both basic and powerful. Businesses succeed by identifying the market segments with the greatest willingness to pay, and then catering to them. There’s no value judgment involved–if young people want to watch trashy reality television, let there be “The Hills”!

In the case of Asian women, over the past several decades, they discovered an important fact: Most white guys have an Asian fetish. Heck, pretty much all (non-Asian) American males do. For example, take the Outkast song “Hey Ya“. In it, the African-American recording artists sing, “Now all Beyonces, and Lucy Lius, and baby dolls, get on the floor,” implying an equivalent level of attractiveness between Beyonce and Lucy Liu. I consider myself an connoisseur of female beauty, and I can tell you that Lucy Liu would not be considered hot if she weren’t Asian. Beyonce is way hotter than Lucy Liu (though neither can hold a candle to Jessica Alba or Megan Fox).

Lest you think this is a unique phenomenon, let me point out that many white girls have similar fetishes for British, French, Spanish, and Italian accents (This is most entertainingly demonstrated in “Love Actually“, where a British loser decides to travel to America, where all the women love English accents; he ends up in Milwaukee, and within a few hours, is engaged in group sex with three American girls, including Elisha Cuthbert. See also, “Banderas, Antonio”.)

These fetishes represent a market inefficiency; the British loser in “Love Actually” would have no chance at bedding a single attractive woman in his native England, let alone three. Thanks to the White Guy Asian Fetish (”WGAF”), even unattractive Asian women have a chance to score a significant other or mate.

And remember, race isn’t even the only factor. The millieu also matters. One of my friends once taught Economics at UC Berkeley; he told me about the time he heard two Asian undergrads in his class talking about their frustration with the Asian chicks who went the Berkeley. What really offended them wasn’t the exploitation of the WGAF, but rather that the Asian chicks at Berkeley weren’t even that hot, because “all the really hot ones went to UCLA.”

Put yourself in the typtical Asian woman’s shoes. Let’s say that you have your choice of two guys. The first guy is average-looking, of average intelligence, and has an average career. The second guy is good-looking, smart, and has a good career. Which one are you going to choose? If the only difference is that Guy #1 is Asian and Guy #2 is white, my guess is you’re choosing Guy#2. That’s not racism, that’s smart market segmentation.

P.S. The logical follow-up question is, what should I do if I’m an Asian guy? My advice: Try to exploit market inefficiencies and go for chicks who dig martial arts movies. Do you think Jackie Chan or Jet Li ever lacks for babes?

 

[Tweaker]

Anyone notice that those who claim little to no distinction between civilian and military training/exprerience do so with zero military background?

Hey, I want a cookie! I reversed that for ya.

This thread has been helpful in that I have been able to add 3 twunts to my ignint list (ignore). Hint - 1/3 of 'em are right above this very post.

 

[Benjamin Dover]

Of course United has more women and minorities than anyone else. They went on crazy hiring rampages for XX chromosomes and minority (colored) people, while more qualified white people were ignored. Just read online about near accidents by these underqualified quota hire-ees.

It's pathetic what this industry has boiled down to.

They call them "the class of '89' " after getting sued and changing their standards back then. Pretty "diverse" group I'm told ... and pretty scary.

 

[Captain Morgan]

It's not that I don't think women can fly, or that I am jealous that they get preferential treatment during the job selection process. What I don't care for is that women don't just say "thank you," and move on with it. They want to be equal, yet they celebrate their inequality. Women have some wierd fixation about having an "all female crew," or when passengers have some wierd reaction about getting on an airplane. (News flash, they have this reaction regardless of your sex) No Captain Vag, the woman isn't afraid of you flying the plane, she just has a problem getting on a EMB-110, so don't get your panties in a twist over it. Here's an article I came across, it has military attitudes, women's attitudes, et al. Enjoy! http://www.indianapoliswoman.com/covergallery/99/aug.asp