10/250

[msculley6905]

Yes. We have. The company can afford 10/$250 NOW without any impact to most of the owners, except Mr. Buffett. He is just going to have to get his money a little slower.

Keep in mind the company is making money on operations only at this time. A lot of money. To add on top of that, they are selling airplanes now. A lot of planes.

There is no reason an owner needs to even know their pilots are finally being paid a good wage, except that the service and mood of the crews is going to be more superb.

....this person does not

 

[msculley6905]

Don't get me wrong, I believe that the pilot group (and every employee for that matter, myself included) deserves a bump in pay now that the company is consistently profitable...it's the easiest way to keep workers happy which ultimately keeps customers happy and remaining as customers...money talks when speaking with professionals, not ice cream socials at BWY, jeans day or feel good emails...profit sharing was a major plus in my book.

But at the same time, I understand why my salary CANNOT and WILL NOT be doubled just by remaining in my same position for 10 years. And there are many, many, many less of us than pilots....and we earn much, much less even at current rates.

 

[fischman]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That person is on management's payroll and knows only what he is told.

 

[fischman]

Don't get me wrong, I believe that the pilot group (and every employee for that matter, myself included) deserves a bump in pay now that the company is consistently profitable...it's the easiest way to keep workers happy which ultimately keeps customers happy and remaining as customers...money talks when speaking with professionals, not ice cream socials at BWY, jeans day or feel good emails...profit sharing was a major plus in my book.

But at the same time, I understand why my salary CANNOT and WILL NOT be doubled just by remaining in my same position for 10 years. And there are many, many, many less of us than pilots....and we earn much, much less even at current rates.

Are you foolish enough to actually believe in profit sharing? And you say I don't understand business??? HA!!!

Time to grow up.

 

[fischman]

Yes. We have. The company can afford 10/$250 NOW without any impact to most of the owners, except Mr. Buffett. He is just going to have to get his money a little slower.

Keep in mind the company is making money on operations only at this time. A lot of money. To add on top of that, they are selling airplanes now. A lot of planes.

There is no reason an owner needs to even know their pilots are finally being paid a good wage, except that the service and mood of the crews is going to be more superb.

....this person does not

Please... Oh PLEASE tell me how I'm wrong. I can't WAIT to hear this...

 

[msculley6905]

@fisch

My payroll check says Netjets, same as yours...and look me up on NJ email based on my username...it's not that hard to find out who I am

I didn't say you were wrong, I said you don't know how it works...since you're on the topic of growing up, let me dumb it down so an immature child like yourself could understand....if Dad said curfew was at 9, and you consistently got home at 10, what happened? Got in trouble. If WB wants $X ROI, and we only deliver X-Y consistently, what happens? Right now we're always getting home at 8...and 10/250 is like getting home at 9:10 and sneaking in the window, trying not to get caught...might be ok for a while, but will be trouble later on

Just as you would like to try and have me prove you wrong, I'd like to see the union's projection on the bottom-line impact of 10/250 over the next, say, 8 years, as more and more PICs get tenure. I don't claim to know specifics, but I know reality. Seems you claim know specifics, but not reality

 

[fischman]

@fisch

My payroll check says Netjets, same as yours...and look me up on NJ email based on my username...it's not that hard to find out who I am

I didn't say you were wrong, I said you don't know how it works...since you're on the topic of growing up, let me dumb it down so an immature child like yourself could understand....if Dad said curfew was at 9, and you consistently got home at 10, what happened? Got in trouble. If WB wants $X ROI, and we only deliver X-Y consistently, what happens? Right now we're always getting home at 8...and 10/250 is like getting home at 9:10 and sneaking in the window, trying not to get caught...might be ok for a while, but will be trouble later on

Just as you would like to try and have me prove you wrong, I'd like to see the union's projection on the bottom-line impact of 10/250 over the next, say, 8 years, as more and more PICs get tenure. I don't claim to know specifics, but I know reality. Seems you claim know specifics, but not reality

I don't think you are familiar with reality at all. Especially if you actually are a scheduler. Make your lines look pretty on the computer screen instead of letting the crews get ready for the next day. Let us worry about our CBA and the owners. We're good at it.

 

[Semore Butts]

Hey Owner, good to see you posting.

Owner, That COLA the company has charged you all those years didn't go to us, that's for sure.

To Mscully, profit sharing? If we took the ridiculous concessions that "hogwarts" offered you could kiss your profit sharing goodbye. That's just a ploy to get you to do exactly what you are doing, making us the villain. (We were here way before the EMT, when they are done raping and pillaging the company you and I work at, they will be gone)

Respectfully, Semore

 

[msculley6905]

I don't think you are familiar with reality at all. Especially if you actually are a scheduler. Make your lines look pretty on the computer screen instead of letting the crews get ready for the next day. Let us worry about our CBA and the owners. We're good at it.

Care to elaborate on my skewed view on reality? What do we do that keeps you from getting the job done? (PM me if you want some real answers to your questions) As far as I know it's all legal based on your last mutually agreed upon contract with the company. Perhaps you'd like a 10 hr max duty day for 10/250 as well?

 

[fischman]

Care to elaborate on my skewed view on reality? What do we do that keeps you from getting the job done? (PM me if you want some real answers to your questions) As far as I know it's all legal based on your last mutually agreed upon contract with the company. Perhaps you'd like a 10 hr max duty day for 10/250 as well?

Actually, yes. I feel 12 hours should be a max with OT over 10 hours. Anything more is not safe in my opinion.

And no, during section 6 negotiations I will not elaborate at all in public or private what you do to the schedule that is stupid. Every pilot at the company knows exactly what I'm talking about though.

 

[msculley6905]

To Mscully, profit sharing? If we took the ridiculous concessions that "hogwarts" offered you could kiss your profit sharing goodbye. That's just a ploy to get you to do exactly what you are doing, making us the villain. (We were here way before the EMT, when they are done raping and pillaging the company you and I work at, they will be gone)

look above, I never said anything about taking concessions, in fact i said compensation should be improved for all employees at this time, but at a reasonable level...IMO now is not a good time to be asking for them anyways by the company. Slowly rebounding economy, consistent profits, shiny new jets, threat of a major exodus to the majors....Someone said it before, but this needs to be a place people come to stay, not just for the pilots, but for the best talent in aviation...the time for concessions was in 2009, not now...

Profit sharing has zero impact on how I view the pilot group. Zip, zilch, none...how on earth do you think that make you the villain?

I have my opinions of the EMT, some good, some bad, but where they have to start making improvements immediately is morale...it is the lowest across the board as I've ever seen in my 5 years at the moment and that HAS to change..coming to work actually used to be a fun career, but now feels like just a job...picking a fight with the pilot group is not the smartest thing to do right now, IMO. But then again, they are very good at making smart, calculated decisions, and caving to ludicrous demands of a 100% raise would not be smart.

 

[msculley6905]

Actually, yes. I feel 12 hours should be a max with OT over 10 hours. Anything more is not safe in my opinion.

And no, during section 6 negotiations I will not elaborate at all in public or private what you do to the schedule that is stupid. Every pilot at the company knows exactly what I'm talking about though.

...and every pilot knows how to change a brief they don't like or that they don't feel is safe based on the rules of a mutually agreed upon contract...


....which, ironically, leads to the "stupid" stuff that schedulers do...see the cycle here? While setting up tomorrow, covering an owner late is not an option.

 

[fischman]

...and every pilot knows how to change a brief they don't like or that they don't feel is safe based on the rules of a mutually agreed upon contract...


....which, ironically, leads to the "stupid" stuff that schedulers do...see the cycle here? While setting up tomorrow, covering an owner late is not an option.

I call fatigued as necessary.

Do you want some advice on how to do your job?

There is absolutely no need whatsoever to tack on 4 hours of TNTV at 2300-0300 in the middle of Montana, except to make your lines look pretty on a computer, or to prove a point to us. We all see it, we all know it, we all expect it. On duty at the hotel in case you need us? Fine. At the airport, you're just being mean (and stupid, and wasteful (many times the FBO charges an after hour fee up to $200/hour to keep us there)). Plain and simple.

You want the fatigues to go away? Do away with the 0500 show for a 1200 go. Even if you assign duty at the hotel, we don't go back to sleep. We aren't robots who can flip a switch on and off. Once the alarm goes off, I'm up for at least 10 hours. If you don't need me until 1100 for a 1200, then assign me an 1100 show. 0500 is stupid and wasteful. Plain and simple.

You want the fatigues to go away? Stop assigning 4 hours of TNTV after a 4 leg day to get us to 12 hours of duty (it's a limit. Not a goal). The only reason to do it is to make your lines look pretty on a computer, or to prove a point. We all see it, we all know it, we all expect it. Plain and simple.

I understand the need for a hot spare. If you need it, then assign it. If you want your line to be pretty, then you aren't running a smart schedule. It is stupid and wasteful. Plain and simple.

Let me know if you need more lessons on how to do your job better. I'd welcome feedback from you too on how to fly better and take better care of the owners.

With bated breath I wait,

Fischman

 

[CA1900]

...and every pilot knows how to change a brief they don't like or that they don't feel is safe based on the rules of a mutually agreed upon contract...


....which, ironically, leads to the "stupid" stuff that schedulers do...see the cycle here? While setting up tomorrow, covering an owner late is not an option.

When your boss tells me, to my face, that they won't consider circadian rhythms because then his software "doesn't work as well," that tells me quite a bit.

 

[fischman]

When your boss tells me, to my face, that they won't consider circadian rhythms because then his software "doesn't work as well," that tells me quite a bit.

See msculley? We all see it, we all know it, we all expect it.