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Hadenoughyet

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Am I the only Flex guy who has had enough of this nonsense?

We are years into this DAC purchase fiasco and management still will not acknowledge that they lost the vote. It does not matter by how much, if even by 1 vote they still lost. Over and done with so now can we please move on as peoples lives and careers are on the line here...

If 2N wants to know why we voted in a Union all he has to do is look in the mirror. How many outright lies and intentional misinformation has been given freely by this management team? When will the Flex guys realize there is no way to work for this man without an ironclad contract? Its mind boggling and depressing at the same time.

Two different storefronts, what bonus?, that shady employment contract forced upon us at he last minute that's "not worth the paper its written on", our downhill spiral on benefits, bringing over all the Union haters from Options and putting them in our largest a/c under the Flex name, the outright slaughter of our honored seniority system.........do I really need to continue? Wake up guys, there is a new Sheriff in town and he does not like to play nice and is used to getting his way like a child. What more do we need to see?????

Maybe the Teamsters was not our 1st choice in representation but they were the only choice in representation. Kinda like the last Presidential election - either A or B with no option C....so with the few of many examples mentioned above how can anyone want to continue a career path with this company without representation? I certainly do not, I would take the Teamsters any day of the week and twice on Sunday rather than work for a selfish egomaniac without some type of checks and balances. I gave 2N the benefit of the doubt and he failed miserably. Its no wonder he has had labor issues with the Options guys for the past 10+ years. Options was after all his "baby" and yet they always have been the worst paid Fractional with the worst schedule and worst benefits. And that's not an attack on the Options guys, I respect you guys for getting together and trying to do something about your situation. Thats more than I can say for the Flex guys.

With the money this company has spent on lawyers fighting the outcome of a legitimate vote, they could have given everyone a nice raise and an increase in benefits across the board, but no as that would mean the King would have to admit maybe, just maybe, he was wrong...

So please any Flex guys that read this look in the mirror and ask yourself - Have you had enough yet?
 
Speaking of RH, his last diatribe had this: Another unanswered question is why for the last 2 months of negotiations hasn’t one Flexjet pilot been in attendance?

He already knows the answer to that. They refuse to release our member of the negotiating team for the session unless they can charge us for his entire rotation. So, VF has a six day and the last two days are part of a negotiating session. Management says we have to pay for the entire six day rotation to have him released for those two days! RH is a lying pos...but most of you already know this.
 
Am I the only Flex guy who has had enough of this nonsense?

We are years into this DAC purchase fiasco and management still will not acknowledge that they lost the vote. It does not matter by how much, if even by 1 vote they still lost. Over and done with so now can we please move on as peoples lives and careers are on the line here...

If 2N wants to know why we voted in a Union all he has to do is look in the mirror. How many outright lies and intentional misinformation has been given freely by this management team? When will the Flex guys realize there is no way to work for this man without an ironclad contract? Its mind boggling and depressing at the same time.

Two different storefronts, what bonus?, that shady employment contract forced upon us at he last minute that's "not worth the paper its written on", our downhill spiral on benefits, bringing over all the Union haters from Options and putting them in our largest a/c under the Flex name, the outright slaughter of our honored seniority system.........do I really need to continue? Wake up guys, there is a new Sheriff in town and he does not like to play nice and is used to getting his way like a child. What more do we need to see?????

Maybe the Teamsters was not our 1st choice in representation but they were the only choice in representation. Kinda like the last Presidential election - either A or B with no option C....so with the few of many examples mentioned above how can anyone want to continue a career path with this company without representation? I certainly do not, I would take the Teamsters any day of the week and twice on Sunday rather than work for a selfish egomaniac without some type of checks and balances. I gave 2N the benefit of the doubt and he failed miserably. Its no wonder he has had labor issues with the Options guys for the past 10+ years. Options was after all his "baby" and yet they always have been the worst paid Fractional with the worst schedule and worst benefits. And that's not an attack on the Options guys, I respect you guys for getting together and trying to do something about your situation. Thats more than I can say for the Flex guys.

With the money this company has spent on lawyers fighting the outcome of a legitimate vote, they could have given everyone a nice raise and an increase in benefits across the board, but no as that would mean the King would have to admit maybe, just maybe, he was wrong...

So please any Flex guys that read this look in the mirror and ask yourself - Have you had enough yet?

Part of the reason is you have a selfish top half of the seniority list who couldn't careless about anyone but themselves! Always been that way here forever. I got mine pull the ladder up! The Flexjet pilots have always been a spineless jellyfish as a whole and that will never change!
 
Personally I hope KR keeps Handchuck around for as long as possible. Except for a handful of pilots, his "letters" and sold-out bull$hit are winning more pilots over to the Teamsters than ever before. I think for many pilots the brazen and disgusting co-opting of a colleagues death for the purposes of some weird management PR commercial was the last straw. It's only a matter of time before that idiot creates another unintentional win for the Teamsters. With each idiot move a few more see the light.

I personally think KR keeping RH was one of the Jedi mind tricks I see the union using in the world of busting the union busters. Kenn thinks it irritates the union so he keeps him. But the union wins everytime he opens his mouth.

KR thinks he's been out smarting the Teamsters when in reality I think the Teamsters are more in control then we give them credit for.

Other examples: you have RH, FW and all of these people claiming the union hated Red Label and tried to get rid of it. While I wish this were true, the fact is the Union fought hard to keep Red Label, the salary and benefits PROTECTED so when in future litigation the company is forced to make it 100% seniority based, the company can't take it away. They Jedi bended Ricci into a corner by setting a base much higher than it ever would have been.

Why does the company want to fight the ISL ? Look at the list and ask yourself why the company fears it so much? Is it possible it forces the protection of the majority of pilots based on expected career longevity to a disadvantage regarding Kenn's consistent goals to tee up more decertification efforts? Do you seriously think Kenn allows seniority jumping and overpaying for anything with any other goal in mind?

Or the SuperDave factor. Jedi mind bended the company into fighting for pbs to solve the dreaded seam clauses management has been abusing. If not for the union, it would have been gone years ago.

Look around. There are more examples. It's kinda funny. Kenn Ricci has been Ricci-ed. His union busting is being slyly busted.

I know it's a long road. I know it often times appears as though we are losing but if you take a step back and look at the big picture I think either by design or sheer luck, the union is inching closer and closer to having KR by the balls with a new contract. The last thing in the world we need to do now is risk 3 plus years of maneuvering to this point by running scared now.

If Kenn would have just dealt fairly with his pilots and customers years ago he would be currently swimming in cash. Instead he is hemorrhaging it on these silly fights thinking he can outlast the coffers of the 1108.

And that is the reason we really can't afford to lose them and the support of the National. We need them a lot more than they need us. But FW will have you think it's about dues. Another red herring.
 
They have been having this decertification card drive now for a few months. if they were going to get the numbers they needed they would have them by now. Every month that goes by the cards coming in will dry up. Eventually they will reach their peak which will fall short of their goal.

Time is working against them, and now that the Flex pilots are able to see the benefits of working with a contract not many will choose to go back to being at will employees waiting for a Friday email to change their schedule ( like the Flight Attendents ) or benefits.
 
Do not make the mistake of underestimating them.
 
30 min shutdowns suck. Who approved of such an

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From what I understand, if you need to clean, stock, etc. you tell them you need more time. If they say no, you walk away. The decision to do those things rest with them now, not us. It’s a system we are not used to, but they get to make the choice of a clean plane or a delay to clean the next day. Welcome to Flops renamed.
 

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