Buffett Bites Back at NetJets Pilot Complaints

[FamilyGuy]

Well, the game is afoot. I'll take anal bum cover for 7,000.

Nobody appreciates a good movie quote anymore.

 

[fischman]

Sorry Hans, wrong guess. Would you like to go for Double Jeopardy where the scores can really change?

Come on man. Everyone knows. Please do be careful. I like you, believe you are a good person, and would hate to see what happened to Twinkie to happen to you.

 

[fischman]

You just keep beating that drum, don't you? I gave you a very lengthy response earlier, which you summed up by saying don't tell me about the company's problems or the economy.

Since that didn't work, lets try a different tack:

Please tell me why you think you are worth the same as a 777 or 747 pilot?

Because that's what I'm seeing when I look at the Delta payscales -http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/legacy/delta_air_lines

If you don't like that answer, then let me try another one - why did you choose to come to NetJets, knowing what the payscales were like and that they were not comparable to the airlines?

And please don't tell me you planned on changing them after you got here - that just sounds like those fools who move into a house next to the airport and then complain about the noise.

Wrong. You gave me a lengthy excuse of what the company is challenged with.

I'm asking SPECIFICALLY why I'm worth 60% of a Delta pilot. EXACTLY WHY should I be happy taking a lower salary for more work? Why I chose to come to NetJets is not anyone's business but my own.

 

[Diesel]

If NJA requires a hat, I will start my own picket line and coerce Diesel into honoring it.

Unlike you I would actually honor a picket line.

 

[msculley6905]

Wrong. You gave me a lengthy excuse of what the company is challenged with.

I'm asking SPECIFICALLY why I'm worth 60% of a Delta pilot. EXACTLY WHY should I be happy taking a lower salary for more work? Why I chose to come to NetJets is not anyone's business but my own.

there is no good way to answer that question, since, yes, most skills are the same, but the businesses are different. Ultimately, the market for pilots determines your worth.

Now for you, how much value to you put in not having to commute? How much value is there for you in keeping hotel points and airline miles? How much do you value the "perks" of working for NJ?

 

[SCT]

'there is no good way to answer that question, since, yes, most skills are the same, but the businesses are different. Ultimately, the market for pilots determines your worth.'

Sculley, I agree that pilot market will drive wages but at the end of the day a pilot's worth is what a company/person is willing to pay the pilot. I joked w- my boss that I'm worth a cool half mil....but he didn't agree.

 

[Willy21]

Now for you, how much value to you put in not having to commute? It has been my experience that a NetJets pilot commutes to and from their airplane. Is it positive space, yes. Is it time on the company clock, yes. Is it on my schedule, no. On go home day I am always spending time waiting on schedueling's plan. At the airline I was on my own. This is a toss-up to me. How much value is there for you in keeping hotel points and airline miles? The time of counting hotel, airline and credit card points as a benefit has come and gone. When I was a new hire about 100,000 Hilton points got you a week in Kona. Lately I have seen one night in the Hampton Inn go for 75,000 points. The credit card Points at one time were a good deal. Not so much now. Increase my compensation to the legacy airline and you can keep the points.How much do you value the "perks" of working for NJ?

If you like constantly looking over your shoulder wondering if the decision you made (the right, legal and ethical decision) is going to get you a carpet dance then NetJets has a lot of perks for you to enjoy. This is now just a job with a paycheck, nothing more.

At one time NetJets made you feel like you were making a difference. That time has come and gone. You are now a number, that is it. If I am going to spend the rest of my career as a number I want the compensation of a legacy pilot. Anything less and I walk.

 

[T-1GUY]

Not all legacy pilots commute. Right now the movement is so quick. I commuted for three whole trips. I now drive into work thirty minutes from the house.

 

[gunfyter]

there is no good way to answer that question, since, yes, most skills are the same, but the businesses are different. Ultimately, the market for pilots determines your worth.

Now for you, how much value to you put in not having to commute? How much value is there for you in keeping hotel points and airline miles? How much do you value the "perks" of working for NJ?

Zero.

I'll commute or move for SWA +1%. Buy my own hotels and airlines

How much value does the company put on not having to airline everyone or ferry planes to and from CMH?

 

[FamilyGuy]

Wrong. You gave me a lengthy excuse of what the company is challenged with.

I'm asking SPECIFICALLY why I'm worth 60% of a Delta pilot. EXACTLY WHY should I be happy taking a lower salary for more work? Why I chose to come to NetJets is not anyone's business but my own.

You obviously came here knowing what the payscales were like, so Why? Why did you come here in the first place, and why do you stay? Sounds like you've already accepted 60% of the Delta rate - Why? And why do you keep taking it for every paycheck?

If you don't care to share why you agreed to sell yourself short in the first place, then why do you keep harping about it?

I've said it before and I'll say it again - I think you guys are worth more than you are currently getting, especially with the degraded QOL. I also don't think you'll get mainline airline pay. I think its great that you go for it, but if it doesn't happen what are you going to do?

 

[fischman]

The thing is, it will.

 

[T-1GUY]

You obviously came here knowing what the payscales were like, so Why? Why did you come here in the first place, and why do you stay? Sounds like you've already accepted 60% of the Delta rate - Why? And why do you keep taking it for every paycheck?

If you don't care to share why you agreed to sell yourself short in the first place, then why do you keep harping about it?

I've said it before and I'll say it again - I think you guys are worth more than you are currently getting, especially with the degraded QOL. I also don't think you'll get mainline airline pay. I think its great that you go for it, but if it doesn't happen what are you going to do?

The pay scales at the majors have changed tremendously since 2007. They haven't changed at all at Netjets. It was a much different atmosphere back in 2007. Don't you have some maintenance write up to CND ?

 

[G4dude]

Unlike you I would actually honor a picket line.

As usual, you missed my (feeble attempt at being humorous) point. I would never coerce you to join my picketing.

 

[G4dude]

You obviously came here knowing what the payscales were like, so Why? Why did you come here in the first place, and why do you stay? Sounds like you've already accepted 60% of the Delta rate - Why? And why do you keep taking it for every paycheck?

If you don't care to share why you agreed to sell yourself short in the first place, then why do you keep harping about it?

I've said it before and I'll say it again - I think you guys are worth more than you are currently getting, especially with the degraded QOL. I also don't think you'll get mainline airline pay. I think its great that you go for it, but if it doesn't happen what are you going to do?

I think the only thing that will get us mainline pay is the pilot shortage.

 

[Diesel]

As usual, you missed my (feeble attempt at being humorous) point. I would never coerce you to join my picketing.

Oh I got it.

I'm not coercing you into ours either.

Everyone is free to make their own choice. Just some choices are worse than others.

 

[Diesel]

I think the only thing that will get us mainline pay is the pilot shortage.

Who gives a crap about the pay if they cut our balls off to pay for benefits, reduce sick time, reduce vacation, and increase their ability to sell off.

It's isn't just about pay. QOL is a big part too.

 

[G4dude]

Who gives a crap about the pay if they cut our balls off to pay for benefits, reduce sick time, reduce vacation, and increase their ability to sell off.

It's isn't just about pay. QOL is a big part too.

Yep, all part of the compensation we have to consider. You are right.

 

[G4dude]

Oh I got it.

I'm not coercing you into ours either.

Everyone is free to make their own choice. Just some choices are worse than others.

Who are you kidding? If I crossed your picket line, you and your friends would mistreat me for the rest of my career. I would NEVER treat you that way. Never. Not for a second.

 

[fischman]

If you crossed a primary picket line, you wouldn't be "mistreated". You would be treated EXACTLY like you deserve. We all make choices in life and have to live with the consequences of those decisions.

 

[Diesel]

Who are you kidding? If I crossed your picket line, you and your friends would mistreat me for the rest of my career. I would NEVER treat you that way. Never. Not for a second.

Of course we would. The pilot community as a whole would. Life is not good for scabs and it shouldn't be.

You are working against your fellow pilots. Why would anyone be nice to you after that.

You can not be involved that's your prerogative and we've all explained to you why it's short sighted. To SCAB and think that you should somehow be treated the same after actively working against everything everybody has done around you......

Talk to a SCAB ask them about their life after. If it was worth it....... Selling out for your own personal gain.

 

[G4dude]

Of course we would. The pilot community as a whole would. Life is not good for scabs and it shouldn't be.

You are working against your fellow pilots. Why would anyone be nice to you after that.

You can not be involved that's your prerogative and we've all explained to you why it's short sighted. To SCAB and think that you should somehow be treated the same after actively working against everything everybody has done around you......

Talk to a SCAB ask them about their life after. If it was worth it....... Selling out for your own personal gain.

Ladies and gentlemen, my point has been made and confirmed repeatedly by Diesel et al.

 

[Diesel]

Ladies and gentlemen, my point has been made and confirmed repeatedly by Diesel et al.

What that SCABS are pieces of Sh!t?

yeah you're not breaking new ground with that one.

You make a choice you live with it. Simple.

 

[dime line]

Ladies and gentlemen, my point has been made and confirmed repeatedly by Diesel et al.

Im sorry, I could be mis-understood, but your just figuring this out

 

[G4dude]

Im sorry, I could be mis-understood, but your just figuring this out

I am such an optimist. It still surprises me when thugs keep acting like thugs.

 

[Diesel]

I am such an optimist. It still surprises me when thugs keep acting like thugs.

It never surprises me when a weak dick continues to act like a weak dick.

 

[Pervis]

There is a difference between fear and cowardice. One sees the threat yet chooses to make a stand for what's right. The other refuses to see the truth thus avoiding any conflict. The later results in far more conflict than they try to avoid in the first place, and a total loss of dignity.

 

[dime line]

I am such an optimist. It still surprises me when thugs keep acting like thugs.

And your different, why? Just on the other side

 

[G4dude]

And your different, why? Just on the other side

I and my friends would never act like thugs towards anyone.

 

[Diesel]

I and my friends would never act like thugs towards anyone.

You using the term thugs is very calculated.

Call me whatever you want but cross a picket line you get what you deserve.

You want your cake and eat it too. It doesn't work like that.

Cross be a scab and accept the consequences. It's that simple. Your going against your fellow pilots and their families.

Yet you want to be treated like a human being at the end of undermining your fellow pilots. Why should they treat you like a human? You have put your own needs ahead of anyone else.

Thug. Sure whatever it takes. Except you still don't think being a scab is the lowest form of human on earth.

When will you ever stand up to anything?

 

[T-1GUY]

He is taking a stand. He is taking a stand against my family, your family, and the families of all the other line pilots who are working hard to get a fair contract from a management team hell bent on turning what was a decent job into a place most pilots won't want to work for a full career. Lump it in with regiional, pipe line flying, and every other stepping stone, bottom feeding operation.

He is taking a stand with Hansell. Hand in hand, actively working against the pilots of Netjets.