Buffett Bites Back at NetJets Pilot Complaints

[Diesel]

You are saying, better than I have, what the worries are about getting an "industry leading contract." If it prevents our employer from competing in the marketplace, then it is a bad deal, not a good one.

Sigh.

Netjets isn't saying it isn't making money. It's argument is it's not making ENOUGH money. it wants to make more money.

So to make more money they have decided they need concessions from YOU. They want you to pay for benefits, reduce sick time, reduce vacation time, increase hours worked, decrease hours off all to increase the already giant profit they are making.

Since you're so scared of an industry leading contract to make sure the company is competitive in the marketplace are you now willing to take a cut across the board? That is what the company is saying will make it not competitive but make it more affordable to go to aspen on a ski weekend.

It is sad you want concessions. But like you've said you're already looking for another job or will SCAB if the time comes.

 

[ghostrider64]

You are saying, better than I have, what the worries are about getting an "industry leading contract." If it prevents our employer from competing in the marketplace, then it is a bad deal, not a good one.

We expect nothing else from a scab....you'll be in great company when we get release, and yes that's what it will take to get a contract given your man crushes(management) actions as of late.

 

[pilotyip]

We expect nothing else from a scab.

I don't see any where that G-4 dude crossed a picket line to do struck work. But calling someone names is typical of union suppression of any conversation but burn it down. There are two sides on every street, to ignore one by suppression of free speech is not right.

BTW: I really do hope this thing is posturing as part of the contract process and this comes out as a win-win for everyone and no one loses there job.

 

[Diesel]

I don't see any where that G-4 dude crossed a picket line to do struck work. But calling someone names is typical of union suppression of any conversation but burn it down. There are two sides on every street, to ignore one by suppression of free speech is not right.

BTW: I really do hope this thing is posturing as part of the contract process and this comes out as a win-win for everyone and no one loses there job.

There isn't free speach on FI it is owned and you agree to a TOS.

 

[Mooneymite]

There isn't free speach on FI it is owned and you agree to a TOS.

Whle that is true, I think you would agree that as members of a society, we are bound to treat others with respect and generally be polite.

I'm sure you teach your kids that.

A few of the posters on FI feel that as long as they can remain anonymous, they are not members of society and can therefore step over the bounds of mutual respect.

 

[fischman]

Diesel is hardly anonymous. He is equally outspoken on the union boards and everyone knows who he is.

 

[Mooneymite]

Diesel is hardly anonymous. He is equally outspoken on the union boards and everyone knows who he is.

I know who Diesel is. I think most of us do.

Why would you think of him?

 

[T-1GUY]

We need more like him, willing to call a spade, a spade. Enough with political correctness. It is killing this country.

 

[Mooneymite]

We need more like him, willing to call a spade, a spade. Enough with political correctness. It is killing this country.

Do not confuse basic civility with political correctness.

Each is based on entirely different concepts.

 

[T-1GUY]

Gotch ya Obi Wan...

 

[ozpilot]

We all know Diesel

Here's a hint:

In most of the country Khaki's describe a type of pants. Where he comes from you use them to start your car.

 

[Semore Butts]

Netjets is saying how much money they make

has nothing to do with the contract.

Last time they said that they couldn't pay more because they weren't making enough money?

 

[Diesel]

We all know Diesel

Here's a hint:

In most of the country Khaki's describe a type of pants. Where he comes from you use them to start your car.

Man even I had to think about that one lol.

You make me blush.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Netjets is saying how much money they make has nothing to do with the contract.

Last time they said that they couldn't pay more because they weren't making enough money?

So lets see, if a company is losing money they can use that fact to void contracts in bankruptcy court, but when they are making lots of money that is irrelevant and has no bearing on the contract negotiations?

Only a lawyer could say that with a straight face.

 

[fischman]

So lets see, if a company is losing money they can use that fact to void contracts in bankruptcy court, but when they are making lots of money that is irrelevant and has no bearing on the contract negotiations?

Only a lawyer could say that with a straight face.

A Berkshire company in bankruptcy court?

NetJets was $2 BILLION in debt and didn't declare bankruptcy. Bring it back to Earth and tell us why we are only worth 60% of a Delta pilot.

 

[ghostrider64]

Anyone who says that "if a strike comes, they will in fact cross the line" has in my mind already crossed it. It's a blatant slap in the face of those working tirelessly to improve said prescabs life.

You can bet said prescabs isn't contributing to the fight at hand.

 

[Mooneymite]

.....tell us why we are only worth 60% of a Delta pilot.

NetJets pilots don't have hats.

 

[Semore Butts]

Mooney is right!

We need those hats that have the hands on them! The ones that clap when you pull the string.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Netjets is saying how much money they make has nothing to do with the contract.

Last time they said that they couldn't pay more because they weren't making enough money?

I'd love to see Jordan try to explain that position.

Jordan - please tell us how you've diversified the business and created new revenue and profit streams that are NOT dependent on the backs of the employees.

Please tell us how the increased profits were not due to decisions that directly impacted the quality of life of the employees through decreased staff, cheaper hotel rooms, cheaper crew meals, reduced benefits, etc.

Then tell me again how the level of profits has no bearing on the contract negotiations.

 

[fischman]

I'd love to see Jordan try to explain that position.

Jordan - please tell us how you've diversified the business and created new revenue and profit streams that are NOT dependent on the backs of the employees.

Please tell us how the increased profits were not due to decisions that directly impacted the quality of life of the employees through decreased staff, cheaper hotel rooms, cheaper crew meals, reduced benefits, etc.

Then tell me again how the level of profits has no bearing on the contract negotiations.

Please tell me why I'm worth 60% of a Delta pilot.

 

[gunfyter]

NetJets pilots don't have hats.

I could start wearing a hat.

 

[G4dude]

I could start wearing a hat.

If NJA requires a hat, I will start my own picket line and coerce Diesel into honoring it.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Please tell me why I'm worth 60% of a Delta pilot.

You just keep beating that drum, don't you? I gave you a very lengthy response earlier, which you summed up by saying don't tell me about the company's problems or the economy.

Since that didn't work, lets try a different tack:

Please tell me why you think you are worth the same as a 777 or 747 pilot?

Because that's what I'm seeing when I look at the Delta payscales -http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/legacy/delta_air_lines

If you don't like that answer, then let me try another one - why did you choose to come to NetJets, knowing what the payscales were like and that they were not comparable to the airlines?

And please don't tell me you planned on changing them after you got here - that just sounds like those fools who move into a house next to the airport and then complain about the noise.

 

[Mooneymite]

I could start wearing a hat.

Netjets' hats would have to be better than ordinary hats worn by average pilots and skycaps. Purple-plumed hats would definitely set Netjets pilots "apart".

Like the British admiralty wore....

Hansell would be in awe.

 

[gunfyter]

Netjets' hats would have to be better than ordinary hats worn by average pilots and skycaps. Purple-plumed hats would definitely set Netjets pilots "apart".

Like the British admiralty wore....

Hansell would be in awe.

I'm thinking one of those bellboy hats from a 1940's Bogart movie.

 

[gunfyter]

Cargo-carrier Ameriflight has found that many new-hire pilots require additional training, often another week?s worth. ?The quality of pilot candidates has degraded to where we have to completely change our training program,? said Ameriflight president Andrew Lotter. ?We have to do remedial training. Situational awareness and IFR proficiency is where they?re deficient.?

FamilyGuy,

I just pulled this out of the AIN.

i think this issue is heading our way and that's why they have to pay.

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...rtage-turns-crisis-among-small-cargo-carriers

 

[FamilyGuy]

FamilyGuy,

I just pulled this out of the AIN.

i think this issue is heading our way and that's why they have to pay.

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...rtage-turns-crisis-among-small-cargo-carriers

Thank you.

That's the kind of information you need to provide in this fight - cold hard facts. People have been talking about the looming pilot shortage for years now (anyone else remember the talk about an ab initio program at NJ?). The recession in 2008 and the increase in the mandatory retirement age for the airlines delayed it for a few years, but I do agree it is coming.

Delta is projecting over 800 mandatory retirements each year starting six years from now, so the onus is on mgmt to get ahead of the issue and retain the pilots they need to keep this company going.

I'm not sure that you guys will match airline pay, but an increase is definitely in order. The EMT would help themselves and the company if they'd start focusing on taking care of their employees rather than thinking solely of shareholder return. It should always be a balance between the needs of the customers, employees, and shareholders.

All that said, this EMT has shown repeatedly that they can't see farther than 3 months ahead, so they will probably start thinking about this issue 5 years from now.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Great attitude. You should lead with that and put it on the picket signs at the next event. I'm sure it will strike just the right chord.

Yes, you have a skill set, and a more advanced one than some other people, but it is still just a skill set, and you shouldn't be denigrating other people's contribution to the finished product. Much like you wouldn't want me flying the plane, we probably wouldn't want you fixing the planes, or doing the scheduling or the accounting. Everyone contributes their own unique skill set and the finished product is better with everyone focusing on their specialty.

That said, companies focus their resources on solving the biggest, most intransigent and expensive problems. Automation is coming for many professions and I'm amazed at how far drones and self driving cars have come in the last ten years. They aren't ready for prime time yet, but I'm willing to bet they will in my lifetime.

Hey, Mark, thanks for coming by my office in Gahanna yesterday. I appreciate the Labor/management cooperation that can be acheived when it can be.

See you around the campus, amigo.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Hey, Mark, thanks for coming by my office in Gahanna yesterday. I appreciate the Labor/management cooperation that can be acheived when it can be.

See you around the campus, amigo.

Sorry Hans, wrong guess. Would you like to go for Double Jeopardy where the scores can really change?

 

[BlueNose]

Would you like to go for Double Jeopardy where the scores can really change?

Well, the game is afoot. I'll take anal bum cover for 7,000.