Why are the airtran to swa guys not voting?

[Daddy]

Seriously, why? Is SWAPA making it hard or is it all just too unfamiliar with unknown names? Apathy is killing us in Section 6. I was hoping we would have a block of impassioned pilots who cared enough to vote 98% to strike at one time in their careers. We are stalled in section 6 and STILL can't even get half the pilots to vote.

 

[Crash Pad]

I wasn't sure which was worse an uninformed voter or a non voter. I've been a SWAPA member for roughly 20 minutes, do you really want me weighing in on an election?

 

[slaquer5]

Seriously, why? Is SWAPA making it hard or is it all just too unfamiliar with unknown names? Apathy is killing us in Section 6. I was hoping we would have a block of impassioned pilots who cared enough to vote 98% to strike at one time in their careers. We are stalled in section 6 and STILL can't even get half the pilots to vote.

Daddy.

We had a poor turned out from the whole group ,not just the AT pilots.

45% voted, that's just pathetic .

 

[Ty Webb]

I was confused by the lack of mustaches, but managed to vote anyway.

 

[Phlintstone]

I know from my limited time over here, it seems it is unfamiliarity with the candidates or more concerned with the details about the end of AT.

Phred

 

[Daddy]

I understand it was apathy across the board, but I had just hoped for a less apathetic group from AT. SWAPA pilots have been apathetic since I've been here. Will any AT vote in the runoffs? The choices are not that unclear. Senior guys will always champion senior issues...voting in captains who will never sit reserve again will not fix reserve. It probably won't preserve scheduling flexibility either. Just a thought.

 

[Daddy]

Phred...I love that pic

 

[Tripower455]

That was typical turnout for a non concessionary contract vote. Welcome to SWApA.....

When they offer up the next industry leading concessionary contract, the turnout will be 80% +, with at least 84% of those voting YES! in favor of it.

As it ever was........

Count on it.

 

[freightdogfred]

Seriously, why? Is SWAPA making it hard or is it all just too unfamiliar with unknown names? Apathy is killing us in Section 6. I was hoping we would have a block of impassioned pilots who cared enough to vote 98% to strike at one time in their careers. We are stalled in section 6 and STILL can't even get half the pilots to vote.

I think it a bit of a stretch for any FAT pilot to identify with anyone running for SWAPA as having their interests at heart, IMHO anyways.

We're all a lil busy, getting thru training, and spending our lotto winnings.

 

[freightdogfred]

I was confused by the lack of mustaches, but managed to vote anyway.

Perhaps when you attend a SWAPA meeting you are issued a mustache at the door

 

[redflyer65]

I think it a bit of a stretch for any FAT pilot to identify with anyone running for SWAPA as having their interests at heart, IMHO anyways.

We're all a lil busy, getting thru training, and spending our lotto winnings.

Send some my way, I got nothing.

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

I thought that there would be more FAT running for office. If they could get FAT pilots to vote, they could've easily got a FAT pilot elected. It could've solved issues for both sides but no one stepped up outside of ATL.

Maybe next year!

We need some militant types in office!

The closest we may have got was LAS but there's only so much one guy can do.

KBB

 

[Nindiri]

How do you know who is voting and who isn't?

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

There was never a concerted effort on swapa's part to get out the vote. That should have been a "bigger picture" idea as part of the section 6 process. It would show the company that the pilots are engaged and get the pilots in practice for voting down the first TA. Unfortunately, I'm not too sure of swapa's interest in high voter turnout. This is a "local" leadership, or lack thereof, issue that is experienced whether an in house or national association.

I understand your frustrations, pilots are not your typical union members, you have to spoon feed them information and practically hold their hands to get them to act (or figure out a way to give them a selfish reason to get what you want out of them).

 

[Daddy]

How do you know who is voting and who isn't?

Fair question...I don't. My frustration is that we have so many AT over here and we still have the same apathetic pilot group we had before. I'm not pointing the finger, I'm just disappointed that the dynamic hasn't changed. Many here (including myself) were quite hopeful that the AT newcomers would bring a new dynamic that could change SWAPA...i.e. give us some balls. Clearly, nothing has changed as we can't even get half of us to vote in the middle of an overdue and contested section 6. Although you'll never see it on this forum, many at SWA are very happy to see the AT folks coming over and having them vote. 98% voted to strike at one time....that would NEVER happen under SWAPA. Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking to strike....I just want some voters who are not automatic company yes men...or who will at least cast a ballot

 

[PCL_128]

I voted.

If it makes you feel better, ALPA election turnouts for anything other than a contract or a strike vote are usually sub-30%. So this wasn't actually that bad by comparison.

 

[dicko]

Fair question...I don't. My frustration is that we have so many AT over here and we still have the same apathetic pilot group we had before. I'm not pointing the finger, I'm just disappointed that the dynamic hasn't changed. Many here (including myself) were quite hopeful that the AT newcomers would bring a new dynamic that could change SWAPA...i.e. give us some balls. Clearly, nothing has changed as we can't even get half of us to vote in the middle of an overdue and contested section 6. Although you'll never see it on this forum, many at SWA are very happy to see the AT folks coming over and having them vote. 98% voted to strike at one time....that would NEVER happen under SWAPA. Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking to strike....I just want some voters who are not automatic company yes men...or who will at least cast a ballot

I heard somebody put it this way - " If you think that DALPA leaders sound like Management, you haven't seen anything yet".

 

[DCitrus9]

Is the lack of voters due to ignorance or apathy?
I don't know, and I don't care!

 

[Tripower455]

Is the lack of voters due to ignorance or apathy?

Yes.......

 

[humveedriver]

I voted. Though my choices for pres and VP didn't get selected. The other election I participated did work out the way I hoped for. So that's even better.