Why are the airtran to swa guys not voting?

[OldManPilot]

I voted on the vacation bid issue, but not knowing any of the candidates I chose not to vote for any of the offices.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Is the lack of voters due to ignorance or apathy?
I don't know, and I don't care!

Ignorance and apathy certainly aren't limited to SWAPA. We usually get somewhere near 50% voter turnout on "regular" election cycles (i.e. non-contract, non-SLI, etc.) I always figured that was probably pretty close to average for other airlines, but according to PCL, it's actually higher than most ALPA carriers.

So hurray for us; we're only half lazy and apathetic, as opposed to most ALPA carriers, who are apparently two-thirds lazy and apathetic. So there you go Delta--something else to argue about! In this instance, we suck less than you suck! :blush:

Bubba

 

[HowardBorden]

Run off elections for President and 2nd VP are open until noon on November 25th. If you missed the first chance to vote, here is your second chance to participate.

 

[Daddy]

True dat...along with several domicile elections. You can read their stances on the swapa website and pick one. Opting out just makes the pilot group look apathetic

 

[shootr]

Is the lack of voters due to ignorance or apathy?
I don't know, and I don't care!

DC wins the thread and the Internet. Somebody should close this thread and stop it at his winning comment!

 

[FurloughedAgain]

If you're chicago based check out SK. He was a Captain rep at Comair and walked the picket line there. Excellent pilot advocate.

 

[Beechdriver32]

Speaking of MDW, what do the exAT folks think of GB aka mastercraft? Running for Rep out there.

 

[Daddy]

He seems like a nut...read his outburst on pprune. MDW has had some real winners

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Not the kind of behavior you would expect from someone who will represent pilots. It's a stressful job. Clearly he can't handle stress.

 

[wood pecker]

Daddy, I am a FAT and the reason why I had a hard time voting (but did) is because I didn't know the history of the candidates. By his tone on the SWAPA forum I would have never voted for him but after flying with CAs that know him, they changed my mind so I did cast a vote yesterday and hope his plan isn't to sit down and "talk" to settle this contract.

Usually when I ask a CA about voting all I get is negative comments and basically get an earful of how screwed up swapa is. One guy apparently made $70,000 in a month according to a union magazine. That's the kind a check that makes me think don't vote for any current swapa people in office. Change the guard, drag out negotiations till the strike vote comes or we get full retro. I can't even get friends to log in to the forum because they hate swapa so much so I don't know how much unity there will be.

 

[fletch717]

Woody, don't count on any retro.... The SWAPA proposal eliminates all FATs from retro pay.
I believe you had to be "on property before2012".
But you already won the lottery so you don't need it.

 

[wood pecker]

Well then it will be a no vote for me. Bad enough I don't get buddy passes if I am responsible and call in sick, now I don't get retro. To me it is the same as people that stop paying their mortgage and live in the house till they kicked out. Meanwhile they saved $1,500-$1,900 a month for 9 months (couple in my subdivision). There has to be an incentive for the company to settle this thing. As of now they got everything they want.

People talk about low morale blah blah... Until the application pile dries up they don't believe us.

 

[fletch717]

Woody, SWAPA has no idea how to deal with hostile mgmt. the lead NC is an idiot. And from what I have seen, this maybe the worst union In my four airlines.

 

[PCL_128]

It's bad, but I don't think anything could be as bad as the NPA.

 

[Phlintstone]

The SWAPA proposal eliminates all FATs from retro pay.
I believe you had to be "on property before2012".

Nothing like a little unity building move to solidify the group against the company. Typical and why a lot of FATs don't care for SWAPA.

Phred

 

[Nindiri]

Unbelievable.

 

[fletch717]

PCL, the dept of labor has had to intervene twice due to some irregularities within the union.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Woody, don't count on any retro.... The SWAPA proposal eliminates all FATs from retro pay.
I believe you had to be "on property before2012".
But you already won the lottery so you don't need it.

What a bunch of whiny BS, Fletch.

You realize what retro is, right, Fletch? It's payment for yearly pay increase that you missed because you didn't have a new contract. So please tell me-- exactly what "retro" did you want on your AirTran contract that actually already had yearly pay increases scheduled through the end of 2014? That means you already got your yearly increases through the end of Airtran's existence. Not to mention you can't negotiate "retro" on a contract (Airtran's) that isn't even amenable.

Now, you'll get retro for whatever service you have at Southwest since the day you transitioned to our pay scale (which hasn't had an pay increase during the years of negotiation).

If you're actually claiming that you won't get retro pay for whatever Southwest service you have so far, then you're just pushing a BS line to stir up trouble. There isn't any legal difference between a FAT and an OAT as far as the seniority list and credible Southwest service for pay goes.

What's next, Fletch?-- you gonna tell us about some secret SLI provision where FATs are limited to only one meal per day or something? Or perhaps the provision where you have to submit to beatings? Don't forget about that one.

Bubba

 

[Nindiri]

Yeah, that attitude is going to unify us.

 

[twepilot]

FAT's have been contributing to the SWA bottom line since the date of corporate closing.

RV