Latest DL rumors and upgrades

[General Lee]

Bid came out today, the junior NYC MD88 Capt came in at 9957, and NYC 717 Capt came in at 9936. That's out of close to 12,000 pilots. DL is currently hiring about 85 a month, but rumors out there say it will increase to 100 per month shortly. A new contract is due in 2015, with more rumors stating RA wants a deal done early. Profit sharing will be at least double what it was last year (it was 8.125% of your W2 which equaled one month pay last year, which was given out Feb 14th of this year), with the first 5% of that already awarded early on the 3rd of this month. Lower gas as of late may increase that profit sharing % greatly, adding a lot. Have only gotten half of the 717s from AT/SWA, and 45 new A321s coming starting mid next year at 4 per month. 4 new A330s coming next year too. The 5000 retirements haven't even really started yet. There are upcoming years (4 in a row) with 800+ scheduled retirements per year.

Some cons---parking 4 744s this year (3 already), and maybe some next year. Early out program already offered for some senior Captains. Some 757s getting parked, but not as many as previously stated due to some "potential" deals that may be coming via suspected charter work.


Overall, good times at this legacy. Profit sharing will be huge due to lower gas and full planes and fees. Upcoming contract should be a plus due to those profits.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Yes, I've heard that some of the 757's short on time prior to heavy checks will be used for sports charters to minimize utilization on those frames, and the charter Airbii will be refit for scheduled service.

 

[jonjuan]

Bid came out today, the junior NYC MD88 Capt came in at 9957, and NYC 717 Capt came in at 9936. That's out of close to 12,000 pilots.


Bye Bye---General Lee

What's that, 15 years to upgrade at the worst base and worse flying? Telling about UNdesireable it is with numerous 5-leg days otherwise wouldn't have gone so junior. 5-year swa fos still make more$$$$, fly fewer legs, and have more days off. Keep trying, junior.

 

[General Lee]

What's that, 15 years to upgrade at the worst base and worse flying? Telling about UNdesireable it is with numerous 5-leg days otherwise wouldn't have gone so junior. 5-year swa fos still make more$$$$, fly fewer legs, and have more days off. Keep trying, junior.

Uhhhhhhh, wow, you're on drugs. Looks like future upgrades are coming faster, and many older Widebody FOs like what they currently do. You also failed to take in the fact that 5000 will be retiring. So, take the current numbers and subtract the retirements. You just lost on Jeopardy, big time. You got minus -$5000, but it was expected Juany. The Corndog FOs will be stagnant for years due to AT guys rightfully getting their left seats back, which AT 737 Capts shouldn't have lost in the first place. You know that...



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

'Upgrading' to the DC-9 with horrible schedules? No wonder it's going so junior. Nobody wants those 4 days that pay 20. Multiple 3 hour hub sits to enjoy as well. At least you can perfect the double breast blazer walk. Don't forget your hat!

I just finished a three day with 1-1-2. Paid 19.5. Hopefully Delta will get some rigs next time. If I were at Delta, I would pass on the crappy upgrade as well. The word is out.

 

[dmb41]

What is the hire date of someone at 9957? Thanks

 

[SpauldingSmails]

'Upgrading' to the DC-9 with horrible schedules? No wonder it's going so junior.

To each their own, flying a 717 wouldn't be beneath me.

 

[jonjuan]

What is the hire date of someone at 9957? Thanks

Prob late 90s.

 

[General Lee]

What is the hire date of someone at 9957? Thanks

Late 2000 or 2001. Looking at the list, guys in the 10,200 range were hired in 2007 at DL. The deal is age 65 caused stagnation for 5 years, and now 5000 guys will be retiring. That's the point. SWA has 15 years from today for upgrade as a newhire. Newhires at DL will probably have 6 or 7 years, and will see Europe or Asia before then, instead of Amarillo and Lubbock.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

'Upgrading' to the DC-9 with horrible schedules? No wonder it's going so junior. Nobody wants those 4 days that pay 20. Multiple 3 hour hub sits to enjoy as well. At least you can perfect the double breast blazer walk. Don't forget your hat!

I just finished a three day with 1-1-2. Paid 19.5. Hopefully Delta will get some rigs next time. If I were at Delta, I would pass on the crappy upgrade as well. The word is out.

Wait, you guys are still flying that junky 737-300 and -500 with no glass, right? All over West Texas, right? Wow, that's fantastic. Your 3 day worth 19.5 isn't worth it then. And 1-1-2? Sure Red. All Corndog trips are like that. Sure. More like 112 landings per month, and each one of them slamming the brakes to make the first reverse highspeed...



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[freightdogfred]

Guy posts some positive news, and the usual azz-clown jumps in, spewing his usual vitriolic nonsense. Somewhere there is a village missing an idiot

 

[General Lee]

Guy posts some positive news, and the usual azz-clown jumps in, spewing his usual vitriolic nonsense. Somewhere there is a village missing an idiot

Yep. It's obvious Red and Jonny Juan are both extremely jealous.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[titans10]

Guy posts some positive news, and the usual azz-clown jumps in, spewing his usual vitriolic nonsense. Somewhere there is a village missing an idiot

Always the same people.

 

[GogglesPisano]

The next bid will have 2007 hires in the M88A and 717A.

Now that SWA guys are bashing DL guys about legs/day, my life is complete.

The warrior spirit is strong with them.

 

[Daddy]

What will be the Delta total company retirement contribution this year? Last year was 24%, correct? I'm talking B fund, profit sharing, 401k match....everything

 

[GogglesPisano]

What will be the Delta total company retirement contribution this year? Last year was 24%, correct? I'm talking B fund, profit sharing, 401k match....everything

15% DC. Profit sharing will be around 16% to do with as you please. There is no 401k match.

 

[SWA Bubba]

The next bid will have 2007 hires in the M88A and 717A.

Now that SWA guys are bashing DL guys about legs/day, my life is complete.

The warrior spirit is strong with them.

Good point-- now if a Southwest guy starts bashing someone on legs/day AND west Texas destinations, other he can be just like a Delta guy!

And if he does it 600 posts in a row, he could be like the head Delta guy in this board...

:beer:

Bubba

 

[SpauldingSmails]

The warrior spirit is strong with them.

Warrior, worrier - whatever.

 

[Daddy]

15% DC. Profit sharing will be around 16% to do with as you please. There is no 401k match.

So 31% total company funded retirement in 2014?!?

 

[GogglesPisano]

So 31% total company funded retirement in 2014?!?

If you decide to put all of your PS in your 401k, yes (for 2015.)

 

[Daddy]

Holy Shiite

 

[GogglesPisano]

Anyone on 2nd year pay and beyond would reach their 401c limits under those circumstances, in which case the funds would be paid directly into regular pay.

 

[nwaf16dude]

So 31% total company funded retirement in 2014?!?

The delta profit sharing isn't a retirement contribution. It's straight W-2 earnings. You can make elective 401k contributions from it, just like any other income, or you can just take the cash. They do make a 15% DC plan contribution on top of the PS money, so if your ps check is 10000, you get the 10k and you get an additional 1500 into the retirement plan.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

The arrogance of the Southwest tools to point out how many legs somebody flies....

Brass set.....

 

[redflyer65]

Brass set? Please Bill. I've seen the narrowbody Delta lines. The bottom line is they blow, especially with no rig. You can spin that however you like.

How about the hypocrisy of Genny touting upgrades, but he sure as hell isn't wading into that nasty schedule (if he where a DL pilot to begin with). The difference between international and domestic at DL is pretty stark. Just look at how junior a narrowbody upgrade goes. Says it all.

I honestly hope Delta makes some headway on the work rules/rigs. Pay looks good. Stability looks good. Retirement is good. Excellent place to be except for those narrowbody domestic lines. I imagine DALPA should be able to make some progress there.

 

[General Lee]

Brass set? Please Bill. I've seen the narrowbody Delta lines. The bottom line is they blow, especially with no rig. You can spin that however you like.

How about the hypocrisy of Genny touting upgrades, but he sure as hell isn't wading into that nasty schedule (if he where a DL pilot to begin with). The difference between international and domestic at DL is pretty stark. Just look at how junior a narrowbody upgrade goes. Says it all.

I honestly hope Delta makes some headway on the work rules/rigs. Pay looks good. Stability looks good. Retirement is good. Excellent place to be except for those narrowbody domestic lines. I imagine DALPA should be able to make some progress there.

Red,

I will bid Capt when I can make more money than I do now as an FO. Being senior in category currently means greenslips, go where I want, and get weekends and holidays off. I also am willing to fly the 737 next (73N in DL speak), and I'd rather not fly some of the other fleets. That doesn't mean they are worse, I'd rather stick with a Boeing, and I'm pretty close in ATL. Many guys who start on the MD88 probably like it. That's called variety Red, or choice. Look it up. It's like you choosing between Midland, Amarillo, and Islip layovers.

But thanks for caring Red. The min day average will be 5:15 per day starting Nov 1st, which is a huge improvement over current trips, especially on the domestic side. Things have gotten a lot better, and with approx $4 billion in profits this year estimated (prob higher due to lowering gas prices), profit sharing and a new contract, next year looks great so far. I hope GK is willing to give you guys raises for your multiple leg days, but after reading recent articles, that may not be the case. Good luck and enjoy Midland.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Scoot 11]

Another DL/SW bash thread. Why don't you aholes get a life!

 

[General Lee]

Notice I started this thread with just DL info and rumors, nothing about SWA at all. I wasn't negative at all. Then jealous Red and Jonny Juan came in to add their nonsense.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[daviator]

Effective Jan 1
MD-88 CA=$205.56/hr.
717 CA=$195.19/hr.
Not Bad!

 

[redflyer65]

Then jealous Red and Jonny Juan came in to add their nonsense.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Jealous? Dude, you are clinically insane if you believe that.

Jealous of 3 hour sits? Double breasted sub commander jackets? Flying 4 days and only taking home 20 of pay?

I'm glad Delta is doing well. It helps the industry. I had to bail on the stock though, it was sinking like the Sub Commander calling 'full depth'. I'll keep an eye on getting back in when things stabilize. Until then...

Full Steam Ahead Genny!