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[Varmint]

I have a couple of questions for pilot recruitment at Delta. If anyone has an email address for them can you please PM it to me.

 

[Freebrd]

I have a couple of questions for pilot recruitment at Delta. If anyone has an email address for them can you please PM it to me.

Don't you know you can just ask Jenni, or pm her? C'mon she has all the "inside" info you'd ever need! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

ps might know a thing or three about SKWY dispatching too

 

[General Lee]

I have a couple of questions for pilot recruitment at Delta. If anyone has an email address for them can you please PM it to me.

PM sent to you.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Bill Mostellar]

I could hold a quite a few of these Capt slots (99 hire just below 8000), but I prefer 330 FO way too much (and I bid to sit Reserve)...

 

[Freebrd]

PM sent to you.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Brilliant! ?

 

[DTW320]

Your puzzled because you don't know squat about the SW system.

Here's the actual numbers.

Trip actually paid 19.7

Equaled $2405.17 in pay for the three day.

Block you ask? 14.3

Pay per hour (in your world) $168.20/hr.

Which by the way, is equal to your 12yr FO rate on the A330 and 767. Add to the fact that I'm only about half way up the payscale here and that's a slam dunk my friend.

Next time you might want to think before you open your pie hole. Wait, you've never done that. Carry on...

I'll agree that 1-1-2 isn't the normal, but they are out there. Just like the 1-3-1 that I recently flew. You really have no clue.

That's pretty misleading. You said yourself, the trip paid $2405.17 for 19.7. That's $122.09/hr. Nowhere near A330FO pay at DL.

A DL 737 FO who is halfway up the payscale makes $131.14/hr. Rigs often cause pay hours to greatly exceed block hours. If the DAL 737FO flies 1 leg ATL-JAX (1+00 block) laysover then flies 1 leg back, he gets paid 5:15/day 10:30 total. Using your logic he made $688.49/hr of flight time. Might sound good at the bar, but in reality trip rigs caused his 2 leg trip to pay 10:30 and he was paid at the rate of $131.14/hr for that time.

 

[DTW320]

My last trip to Paris (about 18.5 hours, 3 days total, 2 legs, 24 hour layover) paid $2867 (18.5x155 (plus INTL override) and also $2.60 an hour per diem). You still worked harder, I ate better food, you stayed in a La Quinta in Omaha. I saw the Eifel Tower, you stayed next to a water tower. I took a night cruise along the Seine River. You looked insane, down by the river. Big difference Red, and you still lose.



Bye Bye---General Lee

You need to fine tune your facts for better credibility. Current 12 year 7ER FO pay is $150/hr. Intl Override adds another $4.50/hr. Also, perdiem has been $2.20/hr domestic $2.70/hr Intl for a long time now.

 

[jonjuan]

You need to fine tune your facts for better credibility. Current 12 year 7ER FO pay is $150/hr. Intl Override adds another $4.50/hr. Also, perdiem has been $2.20/hr domestic $2.70/hr Intl for a long time now.

Loll loll..........

 

[redflyer65]

That's pretty misleading. You said yourself, the trip paid $2405.17 for 19.7. That's $122.09/hr. Nowhere near A330FO pay at DL.

You understand I blocked 14.3 right? How is that misleading? I'm taking my total pay and adjusting it for Pay/Flight hour. The exact way YOU get paid. Not talking rigs here. If your rigs pay more, then that's great. But I haven't seen good rigs on DL lines at all.

$2405.17 Divided by a block of 14.3 hours is 168.18 per flight hour.

Is that confusing? The Genital seemed to understand I made that rate, per flight hour on an easy three day trip. He really didn't have any rebuttal. Pretty much blown out of the water after he thought I got LOWER pay for the 3 day.

He couldn't have been more confused and wrong at the same time! Haha.

 

[General Lee]

You need to fine tune your facts for better credibility. Current 12 year 7ER FO pay is $150/hr. Intl Override adds another $4.50/hr. Also, perdiem has been $2.20/hr domestic $2.70/hr Intl for a long time now.

Really? Fine tuning pennies? Whatever dude! I said $155 an hour, and you say $154.50. And INTL perdiem is now $2.70 instead of $2.60. So in reality, I was about right overall. Anyone can look up exact numbers on APC if they wish, and they still label it as $2.10 for domestic and $2.60 for INTL. So, thanks for carrying the contract around and being a smarta$$. Call up APC while you're at it and make sure you tell them they aren't "credible."




Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Loll loll..........

From APC:

Per diem at DL

$2.10/hr (dom)
$2.60/hr (intl)



Looks like you're still WRONGY Jonny!

Hey, do you need some more quotes from articles about how lower oil will help DL? I got a bunch for you.... LOL!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[FBN0223]

How about a SEA A320 or B737 base?

 

[relief tube]

So every one who's lucky to fly at big d gets an extra months pay while over half your flyings been scope-released out to the regionals.

Tens of thousands of regional pilots and not enough mainline jobs to make this career make sense anymore.

The system is rigged so the privileged become even more privileged. Just like on wall street

Can anyone argue that all of the above isn't factual?

 

[General Lee]

How about a SEA A320 or B737 base?

They are looking at a SEA narrowbody base, (currently a 7ER and 330 base) but haven't decided on a fleet. Supposedly SEA will have 170 daily flights by 2017, so there is a possibility. SLC has the 320, 737, and the 7ER. So, right now if you want to fly the 320 or 737 in the Pacific NW, SLC is your best and closest choice currently.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

So every one who's lucky to fly at big d gets an extra months pay while over half your flyings been scope-released out to the regionals.

Tens of thousands of regional pilots and not enough mainline jobs to make this career make sense anymore.

The system is rigged so the privileged become even more privileged. Just like on wall street

Can anyone argue that all of the above isn't factual?

Uhhhh, they are parking 200+ 50 seaters, and hiring 85 new hires per month currently, with rumors of 100 a month until April. (For the Summer schedule). DL has hired tons of Compass pilots (flow) plus lots of Endeavor pilots lately. Retirements haven't even really started yet, and there are over 5000 scheduled.

Soooooo, there will be plenty of Regional pilots joining all 3 legacies, (15,000 total retirements), and there will be great movement and better pay available. But, you have to get there first. Most of us who came up through the Regionals (called "Commuters" back when I did it) experienced tough times, low pay, etc.

Right now the legacies can be picky, and standards are high. But there will be a race for RJ Capts and LCC pilots next, and after that RJ FOs with some FMS experience will follow. Right now it's all about getting on in front or in the middle of the hiring wave, not at the end.

I hope you get on ASAP. Good luck to you.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[St. Nic]

Del-duh goes from first to third. SWA in there back door taking market share. Meanwhile the outsourcing continues. More RJs. Great job. Wish I was there. NOT!

 

[General Lee]

Del-duh goes from first to third. SWA in there back door taking market share. Meanwhile the outsourcing continues. More RJs. Great job. Wish I was there. NOT!

Uhhhhhhh, what? Delta so far has the two most profitable quarters ever. SWA has decreased service in ATL and AirTran is getting dismantled. Delta is parking RJs and adding 717s. And there is no way you'd get hired at DL. Nope. Soooooooooooo, it looks like you are wrong, again.....



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

Jan 1st they go to $195 an hour for 12th year 717 Capt (top scale). That is the smallest mainline plane. Profit sharing will be at least double this year compared to last (maybe more due to lower oil now), so that's an additional 2 months pay at a minimum. Add that to the current 717 rates, and you get a substantially higher pay rate. If you make $200K this year at DL, that's an extra $32K at 16%. If oil goes lower, next year's profit could be near $6 Billion.

That's not bad...


Bye Bye---General Lee

You have Captains that make only 200k? Surely you were talking about FOs right?

 

[SAABaroowski]

My last trip to Paris (about 18.5 hours, 3 days total, 2 legs, 24 hour layover) paid $2867 (18.5x155 (plus INTL override) and also $2.60 an hour per diem). You still worked harder, I ate better food, you stayed in a La Quinta in Omaha. I saw the Eifel Tower, you stayed next to a water tower. I took a night cruise along the Seine River. You looked insane, down by the river. Big difference Red, and you still lose.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Is it still special the 148th time you see it

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

You have it backwards Gen. 19.5 TFP equals about 22 hours adjusted to hourly pay. I hope you guys do well on your contract. It helps us all. I don't understand forum rats regardless who they fly for. Eyes on the damn ball. We're in this together.

 

[General Lee]

You have Captains that make only 200k? Surely you were talking about FOs right?

Uhhhhhh, $195 an hour (12th year Capt rate on 717 starting Jan 1st) is the lowest Capt rate at Delta (starting Jan 1st), and the smallest plane in the fleet. Some people fly the max, some people bid reserve and fly min. Throw in 4-5 weeks of vacation, training, and let's say 75 hours per month. At $195 an hour times 75 times 12 months, you'd get about $175K. Then throw in 16% of your W2 as a profit sharing bonus this year (probably more next year with lower oil prices), which would be $28K, and you'd make $203K. Let's say you flew 80 hours. At 80 hours you'd make $187,200, plus $30K for the 16% bonus, and you'd make about $217K. That's on the smallest plane with the lowest Capt rate (as of Jan 1st), flying 80 hours per month. Not bad.

And, the next contract is being discussed, and RA so far has never gone past the ammendable date. The last contract was for almost 20% raise for a 3 year contract. With $4 Billion in profits this year, and probably more next year due to lower oil, I think it's gonna be a good one .

There are plenty of FOs that make over $200K a year, and that's before the profit sharing bonus. If you stay senior in category, you can swap smaller trips for larger ones, fly trips with credit time that allows you to pick up more time and money, get greenslips (like fly one leg from ATL to JAX, layover 17 hours and one leg back to ATL. A total of 2 hours flying, paid at 10.5 hours (5:15 per day), then doubled for greenslip pay. That turn results in 21 hours of pay at $150 an hour on the 7ER). If you do a couple of those types of trips per month, you're not even close to the 100 hours in 28 days max, but you're paid 130 hours or more. Being a senior FO can pay a lot more than a reserve Capt.



Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Is it still special the 148th time you see it

Luckily there are many INTL layovers, plus interesting Charters all over the World. And all it takes is a fleet change, and then you get to start over, with new places. Variety or choice is a great thing.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[SkiDawg]

Anyone know what the latest DL new hires are getting as far as A/C and base????

 

[SpauldingSmails]

The last AE had shown unfilled positions in NYC on practically every narrowbody fleet - there's a whole bucket of unfilled 757/767 vacancies in NYC.

 

[Flopgut]

My last trip to Paris (about 18.5 hours, 3 days total, 2 legs, 24 hour layover) paid $2867 (18.5x155 (plus INTL override) and also $2.60 an hour per diem). You still worked harder, I ate better food, you stayed in a La Quinta in Omaha. I saw the Eifel Tower, you stayed next to a water tower. I took a night cruise along the Seine River. You looked insane, down by the river. Big difference Red, and you still lose.



Bye Bye---General Lee

^^^^^^^^
Hilarious!!!!!

 

[DYLIN]

^^^^^^^^
Hilarious!!!!!

I agree.

No matter how bizarre General Lee may be, I think he cranks out some funny retorts on a regular basis most definitely including that one.

 

[SplitBar]

Luckily there are many INTL layovers, plus interesting Charters all over the World. And all it takes is a fleet change, and then you get to start over, with new places. Variety or choice is a great thing.



Bye Bye---General Lee

And of course you have to factor in this,

 

[SpauldingSmails]

I agree.

No matter how bizarre General Lee may be, I think he cranks out some funny retorts on a regular basis most definitely including that one.

The Seine/insane comparison was admittedly hilarious.

 

[Freebrd]

Anyone know what the latest DL new hires are getting as far as A/C and base????

3 days and Jenny hasn't chimed in? Holy smokes, what's FI coming to. C'mon Jenny, you can get at least 5 posts on this towards that 30,000th post!

 

[General Lee]

3 days and Jenny hasn't chimed in? Holy smokes, what's FI coming to. C'mon Jenny, you can get at least 5 posts on this towards that 30,000th post!

Shaun,

With your current qualifications, you might want to look at jobs in the C Concourse in ATL, like Baja Fresh lettuce chopper, or Five Guys French Fry maker. You can watch all of those 717s during your smoke breaks. Good luck!



Bye Bye---General Lee