Decade long rumor of SWA buying Q400's back

[waveflyer]

Bubba:

There you go again.....

Here's a Twain quote that may help

"I didn't have time to write you a short letter, so I wrote you a long one."

 

[HowardBorden]

Then we actually did codeshare with Volaris to Mexico, and the agreement between the union and company came with a limitation on codeshared ASMs as a percentage of Southwest ASMs.

Actually, I don't believe we ever technically "codeshared" with Volaris. If I remember correctly, we never allowed SWA or Volaris customers to purchase one ticket and seamlessly transition from one airline to another. When a SWA customer wanted to continue a trip on Volaris they were then directed from the SWA website to the Volaris website where they actually purchased a second ticket from Volaris to continue their journey. It was the same way with AirTran in the beginning of our codeshare, we simply weren't set up to sell true codeshare tickets with our old reservation system. A technicality of course, but in order to codeshare, you have to actually share code.

 

[waveflyer]

Well, because it's not realistic. You can't ignore industry economics. You can't operate an aircraft at 300% higher costs than your competition and be competitive. Set down the glass of kool aid and look at reality.

Legacy created reality that has never been cheap.
By that logic we should have been bag sharing, code sharing, and on travelocity this whole time

 

[PCL_128]

Wait...
You're saying that right wing "nuts" defined the word "thug"?! They made it into a negative connotation?! Are you out of your freaking mind, PCL? That word has been around for a lot longer than the politics of this country, and has always meant the same thing--and nothing good at that. Here, lemme help you:

thug --n
-- a tough and violent man, especially a criminal.
-- a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber or murderer.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/thug?s=t

You "proudly" take the moniker of this kind of person, and then actually have the nutsack to say that it's right wing folks trying to make you look bad?! I think you're doing a pretty good job for yourself, by referring to yourself as a "cruel or vicious ruffian." You're basically implying that your point of view is so indisputably right in your mind, that you believe it's perfectly okay for you to use coercion, violence, or whatever other means necessary to promote and achieve your ends. And I guess I'm a right wing extremist for saying that even though I believe in unionism, I also believe that there should be a balance between workers' rights and owners' rights. That's why we negotiate, not just bash people over the head to get what we want.

You're a strange and angry man, PCL. I dare say that everyone involved in AirTran/Southwest/ALPA/SWAPA, including yourself, PCL, will be better off once you part ways. I wish you the best in your non-airline, non-union future.

Bubba

As always, your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. You seem to be quite adept at typing incredibly long posts, but quite incompetent when it comes to reading for comprehension even the shortest posts of others.

Notice that I never said that you redefined the word "thug." I said that you labeled union members as "union thugs." You took ordinary, everyday union members and labeled them as thugs when they peacefully demonstrated after the real thugs like Scott Walker took away their basic rights. So in response, peaceful and ordinary union members across the country decided to proudly wear the moniker. Call us what you will. You're the real thugs.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Bubba:

There you go again.....

Here's a Twain quote that may help

"I didn't have time to write you a short letter, so I wrote you a long one."

Hey, thanks for the input! But I generally prefer to actually explain my differences in opinion during a discussion/argument, rather than to just exclaim, "F**k You!"

But I suppose you could go that way too. You know, Po-TAY-toe, Po-TAH-toe. :beer:

Bubba

 

[PCL_128]

Legacy created reality that has never been cheap.
By that logic we should have been bag sharing, code sharing, and on travelocity this whole time

There are certainly arguments to be made for all of those things. But they are a different subject, and totally unrelated. We're talking about real economics. I'm sorry, but you can't ignore them. You can't operate an aircraft at 300% higher costs than your competition. I don't care how good you erroneously believe you are, you simply can't overcome that cost difference.

 

[SWA Bubba]

As always, your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. You seem to be quite adept at typing incredibly long posts, but quite incompetent when it comes to reading for comprehension even the shortest posts of others.

Notice that I never said that you redefined the word "thug." I said that you labeled union members as "union thugs." You took ordinary, everyday union members and labeled them as thugs when they peacefully demonstrated after the real thugs like Scott Walker took away their basic rights. So in response, peaceful and ordinary union members across the country decided to proudly wear the moniker. Call us what you will. You're the real thugs.

Talk about comprehension issues: -I- labeled nobody as a "thug," nor have I ever labeled union members as "union thugs." You took that name upon yourself all by your lonesome. In fact, I took issue with associating "everyday union members" as "thugs"--because it makes us look bad to the general public. Good God--do you even read the stuff you type? It's right there above your avatar.

Bubba

 

[PCL_128]

Riiigght, because you and your buddies over on Faux haven't been calling ordinary union members "thugs." Just give it a rest, Bubba. We just don't see eye to eye on much of anything. That won't change.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Riiigght, because you and your buddies over on Faux haven't been calling ordinary union members "thugs." Just give it a rest, Bubba. We just don't see eye to eye on much of anything. That won't change.

Like I said, I haven't. You just haven't been paying attention.

And I'm sure this comes as a shock to you, PCL, but just because you're as far to the left as it's possible to be, and blindly agree with and defend anything proposed by a left-wing politician regardless, doesn't mean that anyone who disagrees with you is that far to the right of center. They're probably just right of you, which really isn't much of a qualifier. I'm actually somewhat right of center on some issues, and somewhat left of center on other issues. That's why I talk about things like "balance," rather than being like you insisting that one side (labor, in your case) should have all the power.

Make no mistake, PCL--you're an extremist. And I'll be the first to say that right-wing extremists are just as dangerous as left-wing extremists. People like you--especially those in positions of power--are dangerous to the majority of Americans who live somewhere near the middle.

Bubba

 

[waveflyer]

There are certainly arguments to be made for all of those things. But they are a different subject, and totally unrelated. We're talking about real economics. I'm sorry, but you can't ignore them. You can't operate an aircraft at 300% higher costs than your competition. I don't care how good you erroneously believe you are, you simply can't overcome that cost difference.

And I'm not??

For an economics hopeful, you'll have to explain to me how Horizon operates Q's for 1/3 the price

Care to detail ?

 

[waveflyer]

Hey, thanks for the input! But I generally prefer to actually explain my differences in opinion during a discussion/argument, rather than to just exclaim, "F**k You!"

But I suppose you could go that way too. You know, Po-TAY-toe, Po-TAH-toe. :beer:

Bubba

Brevity is an art and requires more thought.

Or you could just vomit on the internet with a keyboard in a stream of consciousness. You know,... you say Po-Tay-Tow, I say -get the point across

pretty funny considered the upheaval I've thrown on this board over the years-
Maybe if you actually took issue with something important to say- but you put up a definition of thug and made an 8th graders point

 

[pilotpm]

Actually, no.

We had quite a relationship with ATA when they went through BK, and that included not only buying some assets from them, but actually lending them money in a secured loan. I'm not sure whether there was actually any discussion about potential codeshare or not, but if there was, it never came to fruition. And then ATA liquidated shortly thereafter when they lost their government/military contracts. At that point, we bought some more assets at the court's BK liquidation sale.

Bubba

Um, yes SW did have an agreement with ATA. How do I know? Because I had tickets to Hawaii that were part SW AND part ATA when they went out of business stranding me and my family in Maui.

Here's a link to the story. In it SW says it's sad to end its code share agreement with ATA.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/04/03/news/companies/ata_bankruptcy/

 

[SWA Bubba]

Um, yes SW did have an agreement with ATA. How do I know? Because I had tickets to Hawaii that were part SW AND part ATA when they went out of business stranding me and my family in Maui.

Here's a link to the story. In it SW says it's sad to end its code share agreement with ATA.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/04/03/news/companies/ata_bankruptcy/

Well, there you go. I guess it was so short-lived, I didn't even remember it.

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

Brevity is an art and requires more thought.

Oh yeah? Sez you!

Or you could just vomit on the internet with a keyboard in a stream of consciousness. You know,... you say Po-Tay-Tow, I say -get the point across

Wow. That's deep.

pretty funny considered the upheaval I've thrown on this board over the years-
Maybe if you actually took issue with something important to say- but you put up a definition of thug and made an 8th graders point

I know you are; what am I?




-- How was that, Wave? Any better?

Bubba

 

[waveflyer]

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