Decade long rumor of SWA buying Q400's back

[maru657]

I think after the last couple of attempts to merge with other carriers, Southwest will eventually outsource. Economic incentive will probably force such an outcome.

 

[waveflyer]

I think after the last couple of attempts to merge with other carriers, Southwest will eventually outsource. Economic incentive will probably force such an outcome.

Yeah maru,

And then we'd strike and you would justify crossing, right?

 

[scoreboardII]

Now do the real math. Phx-Flg isn't the ticket people are buying. They're buying XXX-FLG.

OK

FLG-TPA Kayak= $590-611 USair using Kayak
PHX-TPA= $190 SWA

$400 dollar difference for the honor of flying FLG to PHX.

 

[fr8doggie]

OK

FLG-TPA Kayak= $590-611 USair using Kayak
PHX-TPA= $190 SWA

$400 dollar difference for the honor of flying FLG to PHX.

PHX-TPA American (probably USAir) $190
using Orbitz

What's your point?

SWA is within a few dollars of the Legacy's.

If you had Q400s would SWA charge $187 FLG-TPA?

 

[scoreboardII]

What's Americans price FLG-TPA? Orbitz=$581.

The point which you refuted is, the segment cost is much higher for the shorter flight to FLG.

 

[fr8doggie]

You're right. What do you think SWA would charge for that?

 

[freightdogfred]

OK

FLG-TPA Kayak= $590-611 USair using Kayak
PHX-TPA= $190 SWA

$400 dollar difference for the honor of flying FLG to PHX.

That funny math again...cheapest fare I saw was 599$

http://www.southwest.com/flight/sel...2272A5&ss=0&int=HOMEQBOMAIR&companyName=&cid=

 

[27 driver]

Reading not your strong suit?^^^

I agree with blended- BUT in any case we fly it.

Ya Wave. You are the only one who can read. Go back and read the post again. No mention of blended rates. You are pretty full of yourself though. Must be a hoot to fly with such a know it all. Once again.... Keep dreaming.

 

[27 driver]

So if we get a smaller and a larger type - you want to set up the same old failed legacy system that doesn't really work for any party involved?

What part are you arguing for?
$10-
Chasing carrots as mgmt plays that divide and conquer game
Significantly more pilots in the training pipeline unproductive jobs program??- has anyone ever loved going to school every few years??)
Pilot dynamic where pilots have to fly the bigger plane to make money even if they don't want to and it's hard on the body-

It's not like this is unprecedented- UPS

And believe me, if REALITY were set in stone I'd have never accomplished anything

I didn't say I wanted anything and I'm not arguing for or against blended rates. They work great at UPS and probably would at LUV if they set them up 40 years ago. Once again read the post before you start name calling. What I am saying and I will type it very slowly for you. You will not get the votes you need from SWAPA pilots for it to pass. It's just that simple.

 

[PropPiedmont]

OK

FLG-TPA Kayak= $590-611 USair using Kayak
PHX-TPA= $190 SWA

$400 dollar difference for the honor of flying FLG to PHX.

Tuesday:

CLT-PHX = $379

CLT-PHX-FLG = $376

Figure that one out.

 

[slaquer5]

Greedy and dumb

I agree with 27

I would vote no for blended rates. I do not think many would vote for it .

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

Funny Wave chastising someone for his ability to read [and presumably comprehend.] Try reading my post again. I didn't say I wanted to outsource. I said if we don't get rates for little airplane captain that are equal to or better than 737 FO, we might as well outsource since the outcome would be the same. I'll never vote to relax our language for any reason in case you are wondering.

Of course, if we had iron clad (as if) language that would restrict the small airplane flying to only cities smaller than "X" that we don't already serve, maybe that would work. The problem with that theory though is that the language never really says what we think it says.

 

[waveflyer]

I didn't say I wanted anything and I'm not arguing for or against blended rates. They work great at UPS and probably would at LUV if they set them up 40 years ago. Once again read the post before you start name calling. What I am saying and I will type it very slowly for you. You will not get the votes you need from SWAPA pilots for it to pass. It's just that simple.

Aww, sensitive feelers -

I disagree with your assessment of reality.

Please explain why 40 years ago it would work, but not today-
We have one pay rate now.

 

[freightdogfred]

Yeah maru,

And then we'd strike

Ha Ha that's some funny stuff right there

You need to ease up on whatever you're drinkin or smokin

 

[waveflyer]

I agree with 27

I would vote no for blended rates. I do not think many would vote for it .

Why would you?

If you give that answer, then please answer the questions I asked earlier-

Do you want the expensive training pipeline that is exacerbated by different rates? Do you want the financial pressure to bid flying you might not want to do later in life, but is now competing with taking care of your family? Are you willing to suffer the long term contractual losses that will occur once we are divided monetarily?
Have you flown at a legacy and experienced those divisions? (We have enough demographic divisions already, I promise you)

Remember, once that wedge of our most important contractual concern, it will be hard to undo.

We will not be as strong and our QOL will suffer with different rates

The proof is in everywhere that has it.

The UPS friends that I have ALL love the one rate- it gives a freedom that no other carrier has

That's freedom we enjoy today bc all our pilots do all the flying.

I'm not sure many of you understand what not having that will do to this career.
Not the biggest issue, but it's not positive. At all.

Btw, I've talked about this with dozens of pilots and the vast majority want one rate no matter the type

 

[PCL_128]

With all the health hazards that come along with bigger airplanes that you claim, why shouldn't you get paid more to fly it? If there are no incentives, younger junior pilots would be forced to fly them and would end up getting older and unhealthier faster.

"From each according to their ability, to each according to their need" Karl Marx

That's what your blended rate sounds like and it's no wonder PCL agrees with you .

Ok, that was funny. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go read the Daily Worker.

 

[waveflyer]

Ha Ha that's some funny stuff right there

You need to ease up on whatever you're drinkin or smokin

Or you could keep on maru's posts and get the joke?
Up to you

 

[waveflyer]

Funny Wave chastising someone for his ability to read [and presumably comprehend.] Try reading my post again. I didn't say I wanted to outsource. I said if we don't get rates for little airplane captain that are equal to or better than 737 FO, we might as well outsource since the outcome would be the same. I'll never vote to relax our language for any reason in case you are wondering.

Of course, if we had iron clad (as if) language that would restrict the small airplane flying to only cities smaller than "X" that we don't already serve, maybe that would work. The problem with that theory though is that the language never really says what we think it says.

Then explain the "might as well outsource" part

Bc though it does sound like I jumped the gun as I tend to do here, getting lower split rates is much better than outsourcing for a dozen reasons.

Flesh it out and if I was mistaken I'll apologize

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

Then explain the "might as well outsource" part

Bc though it does sound like I jumped the gun as I tend to do here, getting lower split rates is much better than outsourcing for a dozen reasons.

Flesh it out and if I was mistaken I'll apologize

JC... do I have to spell it out? Your might as well outsource BECAUSE IT'S JUST AS BAD.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

More guys on our seniority list which are represented by our union is as bad as outsourcing? I hope you are the only one with that idea.

 

[waveflyer]

I was thinking the same thing SS

Want to keep on- or is my apology safe bc you don't really understand the last 20 years in the airlines?

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

Hey I'm all for the damn things if they payed the same. But when you ultimately agree to fly em for the rates they pay at the regionals (because your blended rate just isn't going to happen), then 200 737s get replaced with Qs, you will understand my point. You'll be scratching your head wondering how the hell you ended up back at a regional.

I'll let you have the last word because as most everyone else around here has found out, you will anyway. About this, or the in-room workout, or on dating advice, etc. You are a wealth of information and knowledge. Thank you for saving our future.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Ha Ha that's some funny stuff right there

You need to ease up on whatever you're drinkin or smokin

This is where Wave's comment about wannabe-scab Maru came from:

I think Flopgut has some inside knowledge regarding the mess perpetuated by the UAL MEC in 86 and frankly I never crossed a line but I would cross a UAL line.

Unless, of course, it was the idea of a SWA strike that amused you. While that is a humorous thought, it's no more so than a guy who can't wait to cross a picket line. Especially a nimwit has-been.

Bubba

 

[freightdogfred]

Unless, of course, it was the idea of a SWA strike that amused you.

Bubba

It does amuse me, because it ain't never, ever gonna happen. So why even mention it?

 

[27 driver]

Aww, sensitive feelers -

I disagree with your assessment of reality.

Please explain why 40 years ago it would work, but not today-
We have one pay rate now.

SWA was a new airline 40 years ago. It would have been the normal pay rate. You will never get the votes for a pay cut now. It simply won't happen. We will have to agree to disagree. Please go back in history and find a few examples where pilots voted for a decrease in pay. Especially when the company is experiencing record profits. I agree with all of your points about why a blended rate is good and I would probably vote for it. I just don't see it happening.

 

[waveflyer]

Seems we agree on more than we disagree
The point would have to be made for sure. The argument laid out
IMO, sooner than later, BEFORE another type is announced.
We prepare for an awful lot of contingencies, I hope Swapa prepares for this well ahead

 

[fr8doggie]

Wave: Assume SWA acquires 10 B787s. Would you be happy if it paid current SWAPA rates or do you think an upward 'blend' would be required?

 

[waveflyer]

Upward blend would be required
I'm a capitalist through and through.
If the excuse for airlines not paying us when we flew turboprops was bc they didn't have enough seats to generate enough revenue to pay us, they can't add more seats and then not pay us.

To that end, the company owes us for the -800's now that it's fairly clear we'll exceed our financial performance goals.

To me, we should start that blended rate now

 

[maru657]

Yeah maru,

And then we'd strike and you would justify crossing, right?

Don't think you get it. No major can afford to strike. Maybe in the future but not today.

 

[waveflyer]

That wasn't the point maru, but you know that- good deflection potential scab