What Heavy jet will SWA buy?

[jynxyjericho]

Get some used DC8s. Go classic!

 

[jynxyjericho]

You can hand fly it in SNA, and the noise monitors there are pretty much straight out towards Newport Beach. In Europe the monitors are more numerous usually, and occur down below in turns too. Throw in other distractions like very heavy weight takeoffs due to all of the gas onboard to fly all the way to the US nonstop and lower transition altitudes (29.92 by 4000ft etc), and it's a bit busier than SNA. Your SWA procedure of slamming the nose down after a pronounced power reduction is a bit more than the 757, though. All that is done on the 757 is keeping the pitch up and hitting CLB thrust at 1500 ft, and then flap clean up
3000ft.


Bye Bye---General Lee

For a Skywest dispatcher you sure do play pilot a lot.

Tell me more about ice cream and, how did you put it, FOOKWHA?

 

[Golden Falcon]

something with the same overhead panel as the 737...

 

[General Lee]

No, I called it the "idiot stick," not the "dumb stick." And although I didn't personally give it that name, I think I heard that it was named after you, General. :0

Since I realize that you don't have a lot of experience in actually flying an airplane, I'll explain it to you. It's called that, because generally when you have to use it, it's because you messed up, either in your planning or execution (although I suppose if you also use it when you don't have to, the name might apply as well). Obviously there are times when ATC changes the game, and you may have to get down and/or slow down differently than you planned, but using it the other times is what gives it its name. You're wasting energy (gas) and buffeting the plane when you don't have to.

Would it amaze you, General, if I told you that I often fly multiple pairings over many weeks without ever using the speedbrake in the air? And surprise!--I still manage to stay on my designated vertical path. You know why? It's because I actually understand aerodynamics, my airplane's specific characteristics and operation, and the relationship between VNAV operation and energy management. If you actually put down your ice cream sundae and picked up a book every now and then, General, you might actually learn a thing or two about your airplane as well! You know, instead of just randomly pulling levers like a monkey, when commanded by your overlord Flight Management Computer. Just a thought....

Bubba

Yeah, it's the only plane you'll ever fly at SWA, so you better know it! And, 5 legs a day probably does make you pretty proficient. I flew a couple versions of the 737, and enjoyed using the "idiot stick" as you call it. I also kept the landings smooth and didn't try to slam on the brakes like you guys do to make an exit to rush to the gate to start that 25 min turn you guys haven't been doing well lately. (738s are tougher to unload and clean within 25 mins, as you are learning).

Well, sounds like you are a 737 God.... That's... Great??? Enjoy not using the idiot stick for another 500 legs this year....



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

For a Skywest dispatcher you sure do play pilot a lot.

Tell me more about ice cream and, how did you put it, FOOKWHA?

This from a guy who will be a "Surge 9" FO for the rest of his career, or until his company vanishes. Good luck!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[jynxyjericho]

This from a guy who will be a "Surge 9" FO for the rest of his career, or until his company vanishes. Good luck!


Bye Bye---General Lee

Lol. Havent been a surge 9 FO in a while sweetheart. Anyway, I've already made it out so do you need a recommendation so you can get dispatching somewhere branded? Or you gonna stick it out in Utah? Can't blame ya it is a pretty state, maybe you could get some flying lessons in, come work on the other side of the acars screen. Good luck with all of it, but I wish you the worst at professional trolling.

 

[waveflyer]

There are other airplanes with different designs you know

The 73 speed brake is mostly a plane shaker and good for incremental help only since we don't use it with flaps-

So what bubba said is absolutely right, where in other planes....

Jim,

Could you give us an example of the "I had no idea..."?

 

[General Lee]

Lol. Havent been a surge 9 FO in a while sweetheart. Anyway, I've already made it out so do you need a recommendation so you can get dispatching somewhere branded? Or you gonna stick it out in Utah? Can't blame ya it is a pretty state, maybe you could get some flying lessons in, come work on the other side of the acars screen. Good luck with all of it, but I wish you the worst at professional trolling.

Ahahahaha! You made it out? To where? Lav dumper? Never mind, you're still a loser.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[jynxyjericho]

Ahahahaha! You made it out? To where? Lav dumper? Never mind, you're still a loser.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Such a troll. You gonna make it out of Skywest SOC or are you staying in for the long haul?

 

[General Lee]

Such a troll. You gonna make it out of Skywest SOC or are you staying in for the long haul?

So, you're a quitter? Couldn't handle it on the Surge 9? You work at Wendy's now? Thought so. Good try anyway... Have you thought about being a Legacy FA? If so, when you have a chance, can I get a Coke? And Jynxy, make it a Diet....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[jynxyjericho]

So, you're a quitter? Couldn't handle it on the Surge 9? You work at Wendy's now? Thought so. Good try anyway... Have you thought about being a Legacy FA? If so, when you have a chance, can I get a Coke? And Jynxy, make it a Diet....


Bye Bye---General Lee

Lol. Pepsi ginny, no Coke!

 

[redflyer65]

The General hijacking a thread from St. George? Of course, it's a SW thread.

What an idiot. Gives the actual Delta pilots a bad name.

 

[Jim]

Could you give us an example of the "I had no idea..."?

If you're talking about discussing VNAV with the SWA pilots I know in Vegas, then it's normally things like when you can use speed intervention and remain in VNAV Path, at what speed difference will it drop into VNAV Speed from VNAV Path (i.e set speed versus what is actual as plane tries to maintain path), why you don't want to change "at or above" altitudes to hard altitudes, what "descend now" does with regard to computed path, etc.

But I'm out because obviously SWA pilots know everything about everything and the rest of us idiots use speed brakes because we're too stupid to figure it out (not talking about your posts per se). It's not a discussion anymore.

 

[General Lee]

Lol. Pepsi ginny, no Coke!

Not at my airline. You will need to know that as a new FA here....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

If you're talking about discussing VNAV with the SWA pilots I know in Vegas, then it's normally things like when you can use speed intervention and remain in VNAV Path, at what speed difference will it drop into VNAV Speed from VNAV Path (i.e set speed versus what is actual as plane tries to maintain path), why you don't want to change "at or above" altitudes to hard altitudes, what "descend now" does with regard to computed path, etc.

But I'm out because obviously SWA pilots know everything about everything and the rest of us idiots use speed brakes because we're too stupid to figure it out (not talking about your posts per se). It's not a discussion anymore.

If you ignore GL and the other trolls, it can still be a useful discussion-
I am no self proclaimed expert Jim- and we're all too aware of those that don't have a great understanding of vnav. And rnp. And rnav. And lnav. And autothrottles. And iPads. And EFB's. And the -800 radar. And HF. And intl.

The list goes on my man-
This historically has not been a company that has embraced technology. IMO, GK is trying to change that and is meeting criticism from senior line folks from just about every department. He has stressed it- we have to use the latest in technology -

But to that end-
Our understanding is that not all boeing vnav operates exactly the same, and there is much difference within the internal guts of boeings top of the line vnav vs ours which is essentially one of the cheapest.
Is this rumor to you or how you understand it as well?
We have been taught when speed intervention can be used and remain in path- on approach essentially on an rnp -
And speed difference it will drop into vnav speed vs path-
I'm not all that studied up, just a dumb FO with a dozen competing interests- but I do want to understand this-
My understanding is that VNAV doesnt attempt to maintain a speed on an idle descent unless it drops 15 it's slow and the AT wakes up
It calculates a path based on that speed and then flies that path- and it is a deviation from that path by X amount, that constantly changes vs computer perceived, programmed and actual reality, which will recalculate paths and revert to vnav speed once outside it's parameters.

The last two are pretty simple and I'll acknowledge that there are quite a few who fumble a bit still-

But set me straight on the one above-

More specifically, if like to know if Boeing does in fact produce several levels of vnav that operate similarly with different levels of performance