What Heavy jet will SWA buy?

[waveflyer]

With international service beginning- albeit slowly, most believe it is a matter of when, not if-

Conventional wisdom says 787-

What say those who might actually know what they're talking about?

Is the 787 becoming the jet it was supposed to be? Gremlins?
Airbus

What do you think?

 

[Ocity]

737-900

 

[waveflyer]

Maybe, but Should I define Heavy for you or are you that new?
GK has told BWI on three different occasions that he envisions it being our jumping off point to Europe when the time comes-
I wouldn't put it past him to have planned Iceland stops but...
I'll even add wide body is on the horizon

 

[General Lee]

Maybe, but Should I define Heavy for you or are you that new?
GK has told BWI on three different occasions that he envisions it being our jumping off point to Europe when the time comes-
I wouldn't put it past him to have planned Iceland stops but...
I'll even add wide body is on the horizon

Westjet just started Dublin, Ireland service from St. John's, NF with a 737-700. Go for it, hosers!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Herkdrv]

Westjet just started Dublin, Ireland service from St. John's, NF with a 737-700. Go for it, hosers!


Bye Bye---General Lee

St Johns has some PRIMO single mothers supporting themselves thru school clubs. Sign me up!!!!! :beer:

 

[tankerhead]

Couple legs around the NE finished off with a run to Iceland and crew swap would be a hoot. If the hefty bag draggers go for it, THEN buy a bigger jet, preferably a 777 with some light wear.

 

[wood pecker]

Whatever Hawaiian has. Now do you turn the recirc fan off in a 76 and tilt the radar to +15?

 

[freightdogfred]

Another ridiculous thread brought to you by waveflyer

 

[slaquer5]

Q-400.

 

[redflyer65]

Used 767. They will pay cash and own them outright.

You know SW always goes for a good bargain.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

They just start International yesterday, and already Wavey has big jet syndrome?

Why not wait and see how this goes. You guys are bangin your heads against Spirit and jetblue and it's not Omaha-Oklahoma City where profits are guaranteed.

 

[madjack]

Buy HAL

 

[StopNTSing]

CSeries...after they get the bugs worked out of it.

 

[Capn Butthead]

The 700 Max has an additional 500NM range at a minimum. The new engine is out performing so far in it's tests. It could easily make Brasil from the south or Western Europe from the northeast....now....I hope we would get better seats that the GK 15%roic evolve special...because I wouldn't want to do it!

 

[Turtle21]

With international service beginning- albeit slowly, most believe it is a matter of when, not if-



Conventional wisdom says 787-



What say those who might actually know what they're talking about?



Is the 787 becoming the jet it was supposed to be? Gremlins?

Airbus



What do you think?

Never happen. Incomparable with SothWest culture... All Widebody crews slamclick.

 

[redflyer65]

The 737-700max will have a range of close to 4,000nm.

BWI-LHR distance is 3158nm.

Look for SJU to be the main connection to South America.

SJU-Sao Paulo is 2751nm. SJU-Santiago, Chile is 3100nm.

All of northern South America will be served directly from FLL and HOU.

We may not need a larger plane when the Max arrives.

 

[waveflyer]

The 700 Max has an additional 500NM range at a minimum. The new engine is out performing so far in it's tests. It could easily make Brasil from the south or Western Europe from the northeast....now....I hope we would get better seats that the GK 15%roic evolve special...because I wouldn't want to do it!

I actually just read that GK doesn't particularly like the evolve seating- except the extra revenue
He's looking for other options to get them more comfortable

I wouldn't be surprised that's the direction we go initially

But I do think we'll see a wide body in 10 years once we get used to international. Right now it would be too much.

If it happened within 5 I'd be surprised.

 

[fr8doggie]

I actually just read that GK doesn't particularly like the evolve seating- except the extra revenue

He's looking for other options to get them more comfortable



I wouldn't be surprised that's the direction we go initially



But I do think we'll see a wide body in 10 years once we get used to international. Right now it would be too much.



If it happened within 5 I'd be surprised.

4.5 months ago you bet you'd be flying wide bodies in 5 years or you would voluntarily ban yourself from FI for a period of time. I'm waiting.

 

[Dan Roman]

The 737-700max will have a range of close to 4,000nm.

BWI-LHR distance is 3158nm.

Look for SJU to be the main connection to South America.

SJU-Sao Paulo is 2751nm. SJU-Santiago, Chile is 3100nm.

All of northern South America will be served directly from FLL and HOU.

We may not need a larger plane when the Max arrives.

Not sure about your numbers, especially for ETOPS flying. The Max was weight restricted for a lot of outer island Hawaii routes to the west coast. For example, couldn't carry anywhere near a full load from LIH to the west coast. That was in the presentation the company made comparing NEO's and MAX's. NEO definitely could carry a much better payload.

 

[sfomarc]

I actually just read that GK doesn't particularly like the evolve seating- except the extra revenue
He's looking for other options to get them more comfortable

If it happened within 5 I'd be surprised.

Thats funny he told us before "what a better experience it was for the customer with the Elvolve." Total BS.

5 years for a bigger airframe will be about 5 years to late.

 

[redflyer65]

Not sure about your numbers, especially for ETOPS flying. The Max was weight restricted for a lot of outer island Hawaii routes to the west coast. For example, couldn't carry anywhere near a full load from LIH to the west coast. That was in the presentation the company made comparing NEO's and MAX's. NEO definitely could carry a much better payload.

We'll see Dan. The wing/pylon/winglet design is looking to add a 1.5% gain and that's before they even bolt on the new engines. That 1.5% is in addition to the early stated 10-12% increase in efficiency.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Not sure about your numbers, especially for ETOPS flying. The Max was weight restricted for a lot of outer island Hawaii routes to the west coast. For example, couldn't carry anywhere near a full load from LIH to the west coast. That was in the presentation the company made comparing NEO's and MAX's. NEO definitely could carry a much better payload.

To be fair, nobody goes very far from Lihue. It's a "cozy" airport...

 

[nimtz]

The 700 Max has an additional 500NM range at a minimum. The new engine is out performing so far in it's tests. It could easily make Brasil from the south or Western Europe from the northeast....now....I hope we would get better seats that the GK 15%roic evolve special...because I wouldn't want to do it!

It's going to be an underwhelming POS with ultra modern displays. I hope within the next 20 years Boeing's narrow body strategy evolves beyond Herb's slide rules.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Still won't have EICAS, automatic bus switching, systems synoptics, ice detection, AOA, or master caution/warning chimes. Will still have start levers though. I'll just be happy if they can build a VNAV that is able to maintain PATH or at least notify the crew aurally if it switches modes.

 

[St. Nic]

Waveflyer will get his chance to fly the L-1011. heard it here first. And his American West brothers will get preferential interviews as F/E.

 

[scarlet]

737 MAX flight deck may be close to the 787s?

I would be bet 737-900ERS= Buy Hawaii or Alaska

 

[Jim]

I'll just be happy if they can build a VNAV that is able to maintain PATH or at least notify the crew aurally if it switches modes.

If you're talking SWA, I've jump seated in the cockpit enough to know the inability to maintain VNAV path is self induced. When the FMS says "drag required" you have to increase drag. The SWA rule against speedbreaks with any flaps makes that hard to do unless you want to start throwing your landing gear out.

 

[waveflyer]

4.5 months ago you bet you'd be flying wide bodies in 5 years or you would voluntarily ban yourself from FI for a period of time. I'm waiting.

Quote it in 4.5 then superstar
I always pay my bets

 

[waveflyer]

If you're talking SWA, I've jump seated in the cockpit enough to know the inability to maintain VNAV path is self induced. When the FMS says "drag required" you have to increase drag. The SWA rule against speedbreaks with any flaps makes that hard to do unless you want to start throwing your landing gear out.

Really?

You want us to add drag every time the fms says so eh?
Swa 73 expert

Please teach us more. What other messages do we need to pay special attention to?

 

[waveflyer]

Still won't have EICAS, automatic bus switching, systems synoptics, ice detection, AOA, or master caution/warning chimes. Will still have start levers though. I'll just be happy if they can build a VNAV that is able to maintain PATH or at least notify the crew aurally if it switches modes.

Fair points by most esp this^^^
That really doesn't seem like an overly complicated wish list for a 2017 refurb since most jets have had that since the 90's