UsAirways E190 Upgrades

[pave driver]

Maybe APA prefers to be a union that accomplishes something rather than spin its wheels in court and looking foolish.

USAPA is not a union to be emulated. The have only served to feed the pride and arrogance of the few at the top at the expense of everyone else.



Classic stupidity

When USAPA, your union, is no longer, who will represent the west pilots during the SLI process?

 

[Guppiedriver]

Why do the west pilots care so much about "what is right"? Do they have something to gain from the nic at the expense of the majority? Also, why do west pilots think the thousands of APA pilots will " be on their side" and "implement the nic" because it's "the right thing to do"? I just don't understand how the west pilots think losing USAPA and getting APA will be in their best interest. There are roughly only 1,100 west pilots in " good standing" looking to integrate with over 12,000 New American pilots. Will they all look out for the little over 1,100? I just don't see how the west pilots think the huge majority will help them in the future.

When USAPA, your union, is no longer, who will represent the west pilots during the SLI process?

You posts are obviously flame bait, because nobody can be this stupid.

I really have to know...WTF do 1100 pilots in "good standing" have to do with how many pilots are on the west?

 

[pave driver]

You posts are obviously flame bait, because nobody can be this stupid.

I really have to know...WTF do 1100 pilots in "good standing" have to do with how many pilots are on the west?

It would be prudent at this juncture the west and east come together since the APA will not have any sympathy for the minority. (notice no foul language nor insults contained in the message)

 

[waveflyer]

How can you come together when one side is still looking for date of hire and has employed every dirty trick in the book to steal seniority from the west?

 

[Guppiedriver]

It would be prudent at this juncture the west and east come together since the APA will not have any sympathy for the minority. (notice no foul language nor insults contained in the message)

It would be prudent. However, uSAPa has ensured that unity will never take place between the east and west. That is a moot point anyway. uSAPa will soon be gone and we will all be represented by the APA.

 

[pave driver]

How can you come together when one side is still looking for date of hire and has employed every dirty trick in the book to steal seniority from the west?

I agree. However, if your of the majority in the belief that DOH nor Nic in their exact form will never happen, why not keep your friends close and enemies closer? Which would represent us best - ours or their union?

 

[Guppiedriver]

I agree. However, if your of the majority in the belief that DOH nor Nic in their exact form will never happen, why not keep your friends close and enemies closer? Which would represent us best - ours or their union?

Theirs. They have already stated that they are planning to have 3 autonomous committees to represent each group. uSAPa? Not so much.

 

[Bringupthebird]

When ALPA your union, is no longer, who will represent the west pilots during the SLI process?

There, fixed it for ya. Thought maybe the irony was passing you by.

I'll choose a union that doesn't sue me and does more than simply send out Section 19 letters. And any suffering by the east for the damage they have inflicted is simply a bonus.

 

[DCAA320]

Scoot's a Delta puke. I do find it amusing that he flaunts his lack of respect for the "east". Especially since Delta pilots don't seem to have any regard for any pilot group that isn't Delta.

Don't know Scoot but DAL pilots were super helpful when I jumpseated NRT to BKK so don't judge a pilot group by it's loudest mouth(s).

 

[skywiz]

The East has been an complete embarrassment to the entire industry. Don't get me wrong, there are some great guys over there, but not honoring a binding agreement is BS. Always has been and will be in the future.

I bet if you were a us airways east pilot and were in the same situation, you would feel differently. Its easy to judge especially if you haven't been through what they have. Must be nice to be a swa guy. Have you had to deal with a merger where you were going to lose years and years and years of seniority to others that have worked far fewer years at the merging airline than you?

 

[Guppiedriver]

I bet if you were a us airways east pilot and were in the same situation, you would feel differently. Its easy to judge especially if you haven't been through what they have. Must be nice to be a swa guy. Have you had to deal with a merger where you were going to lose years and years and years of seniority to others that have worked far fewer years at the merging airline than you?

You don't know what you are talking about. Every east pilot gained seniority with the Nicolau award.

 

[Scoot 11]

Scoot's a Delta puke. I do find it amusing that he flaunts his lack of respect for the "east". Especially since Delta pilots don't seem to have any regard for any pilot group that isn't Delta.

Hey Scoot- maybe you should pay a little more attention to the happenings in your own house. Especially given the "immoral" backhanded dealings DAL has been running with their contractors and ground personnel. You're just upset because mother D tried to block the US/AA merger and failed. Now you're going to be dealing with some real competition in the right seat at the third largest carrier. I understand though why you are so upset..........your upgrade hinged exclusively on the demise of USAirways.

I did love the classy touch of throwing all the USAirways mishaps up as a list for all to see. You must be forgetting the many issues DAL has also had. Your "brown ring around the collar" is prominent and in line with the verbal rubbish of the "Generally".

Thanks for the advice junior. When I need lessons on "turns around a point," I'll make sure I give you a shout.
I'm not sure who's in the right seat? You? Oh yeah, you're a regional puke lifer. Sorry you didn't get hired. Study harder next time! But now I understand your :crying::crying: cause you're stuck slinging gear in an rj!

 

[Bringupthebird]

I bet if you were a us airways east pilot and were in the same situation, you would feel differently. Its easy to judge especially if you haven't been through what they have. Must be nice to be a swa guy. Have you had to deal with a merger where you were going to lose years and years and years of seniority to others that have worked far fewer years at the merging airline than you?

You mean where their upgrade would have been delayed by less than 9 months, but they endured years of unnecessary bankruptcy wages and branded themselves as untrustworthy slimeballs in the process?

The east chose this to be their legacy and no one will let them forget it.

 

[ALGFLYR]

The east chose this to be their legacy and no one will let them forget it.

And they are completely OK with that. Have you seen the permanent bids that keep coming out? Record upgrades that just don't seem to be slowing down. I think yet another one will be out soon... And yet no movement in PHX... And you could have been a part of all this East movement, but chose not to...

 

[Bringupthebird]

And you could have been a part of all this East movement, but chose not to...

Did USAPA put out a contract for a vote that would have permitted that? Nothing legally stopped them. They knew that they would be crushed with a DFR if they did, so they extorted money, threatened pilots with the loss of their jobs and did nothing.

So you're saying if we had been willing accomplices to avoiding a valid arbitration there "would be a little somethin' in it for us?"

No thanks. I can look other pilots in the eye and share in their camaraderie while you eat Subway in your room and have to explain ad nauseum why folks shouldn't think you're a scab.

It really wasn't much of a choice to make.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Have you seen the permanent bids that keep coming out? Record upgrades that just don't seem to be slowing down.

And the east wasn't content with 2/3 of those, they wanted 100% and would stop at nothing to get them.

Remind me again how USAPA could be called a union?

 

[waveflyer]

I agree. However, if your of the majority in the belief that DOH nor Nic in their exact form will never happen, why not keep your friends close and enemies closer? Which would represent us best - ours or their union?

Why would anyone think the Nic won't happen?

The Nic will be used to integrate with the APA
It would be an awful precedent if it didn't and I flat out don't see how anyone could use another metric-
If you present anything other than the Nic to the APA it will be a dfr Usapa members can scarcely afford.
So what's the Usapa play?
Present their seniority list by doh, and fail to represent dues paying west pilots?

 

[FR8mastr]

You don't know what you are talking about. Every east pilot gained seniority with the Nicolau award.

The funny part is, I really think you believe that.
But I guess if you say anything enough times it must be true, right?

 

[JumpersAway]

Thanks for the advice junior. When I need lessons on "turns around a point," I'll make sure I give you a shout.
I'm not sure who's in the right seat? You? Oh yeah, you're a regional puke lifer. Sorry you didn't get hired. Study harder next time! But now I understand your :crying::crying: cause you're stuck slinging gear in an rj!

Hey, that's pretty cute there, slim. Can you read? Nice swing and a miss, but I'm in an Airbus, not an RJ. I made the escape from R.J. to mainline a while back, and was lucky enough to put the the Delta Connection abomination in the rear view mirror. Turns around a point????? Didn't they teach you that in UPT? Maybe you flew drones and that's how you ended up at DAL?????????

 

[JumpersAway]

Don't know Scoot but DAL pilots were super helpful when I jumpseated NRT to BKK so don't judge a pilot group by it's loudest mouth(s).

I don't............the Northwest crews are always fantastic.