AA/US ISL question

[Turtle21]

Why has USAPA not returned $1 in value for dues since it's ill-conceived inception? All your money came from ALPA and APA.

Are your ersatz leaders still advocating "no plan-B" strategy? I guess oversight never caught on out east.

You are paying $675 for a $20 tie and you think that you have important questions for me...

 

[Carl S.]

Leaving 250k plus on the table for delay is a lot worse than $675 for a tax write off tie in my book.

 

[Turtle21]

Leaving 250k plus on the table for delay is a lot worse than $675 for a tax write off tie in my book.

You have a written receipt proving you paid $675 for a tie, and you get to wear it around your neck. But you have nothing in writing to prove your supposition about lost opportunity costs, other than a Leonidas publication sent to addresses that were stolen, causing the company to buy Lifelock for all.

Just admit it though, this isn't about ties or Lifelock, it's about upgrades and wide bodies, and that's why you guys have paid Marty millions trying to get them.

 

[waveflyer]

Turtle-
Usair' widebodies are NOT worth what your temper tantrum has cost.

Nobody on the west gives a flying f^vk about the handful of widebodies you have.

They care that they agreed to a process. Went through that process, which yielded a result. And the east failed to abide by it, CHOOSING to operate under loa 93 (ie: the worst major airline contract in history) instead.

Sorry, but most reasonable people would fight that -
And they will. And now both sides are going to get played by the APA to whatever end benefits APA the most.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Leaving 250k plus on the table for delay is a lot worse than $675 for a tax write off tie in my book.

I'm not gonna jump on the little nimrod, it's all he's got. Your tie cost you $675, his lanyard cost him about $150K. Comparison over.

 

[Turtle21]

Turtle-
Usair' widebodies are NOT worth what your temper tantrum has cost.

Nobody on the west gives a flying f^vk about the handful of widebodies you have.

They care that they agreed to a process. Went through that process, which yielded a result. And the east failed to abide by it, CHOOSING to operate under loa 93 (ie: the worst major airline contract in history) instead.

Sorry, but most reasonable people would fight that -
And they will. And now both sides are going to get played by the APA to whatever endw benefits APA the most.

We all make our own choices. We have kept our DOH, we didn't sue anyone to keep it, and our opponents paid the legal fees for both sides. It is what it is and nobody predicted it would happen this way, just like no one can accurately predict what the future holds, accept the lawyers will likely have jobs for a long time.

 

[Guppiedriver]

We all make our own choices. We have kept our DOH, we didn't sue anyone to keep it, and our opponents paid the legal fees for both sides. It is what it is and nobody predicted it would happen this way, just like no one can accurately predict what the future holds, accept the lawyers will likely have jobs for a long time.

Freudian slip? You have accepted it all right.

 

[Turtle21]

Freudian slip? You have accepted it all right.

Implicit assumption, feels good, causes long legal delays followed by defeat. Ask the West for a primer.

 

[Carl S.]

Things look rosey for Usapa after all those court Fillings this week? APA lead SLI pilot sure had a lot of things to say about standard ops. In Usapaland. Still thinking "global" anything?

 

[Turtle21]

Things look rosey for Usapa after all those court Fillings this week? APA lead SLI pilot sure had a lot of things to say about standard ops. In Usapaland. Still thinking "global" anything?

The court isn't the dentist office, thus there are no fillings, except for the vacancies of each new East or APA perm bid.

After years and years of seasoned lawyers filing blusterous but ineffective legal briefs, its good to have a new fresh perspective birthed in inexperience and confident enthusiasm. All aboard!!

 

[Carl S.]

Sorry for the typo. Still think APA holds Usapa in a positive light after those recent court filings? Happy 420 days are here again...

 

[Turtle21]

Sorry for the typo. Still think APA holds Usapa in a positive light after those recent court filings? Happy 420 days are here again...

Never thought APA held any other pilot group in a positive light. I am OK that I will never be a reAAl pilot. We all have our own shortcomings and learn to live with it.

 

[B6Driver]

Never thought APA held any other pilot group in a positive light. I am OK that I will never be a reAAl pilot. We all have our own shortcomings and learn to live with it.

Don't feel too bad, the real "Hired not acquired" crowd don't like each other much either; Go figure.:nuts:

 

[Turtle21]

Don't feel too bad, the real "Hired not acquired" crowd don't like each other much either; Go figure.:nuts:

"I was an Air Force Fighter pilot. Everyone hates me, but its only because they are jealous." !

 

[Bringupthebird]

Things look rosey for Usapa after all those court Fillings this week?

Fillings is right. The BPR has got to be filling their britches about now.

My prediction is the the east BPR members find a way to go on LTD after APA takes over so that they never have to face the victims of their ill-conceived juggernaut and answer the question, "What about me? I sacrificed as much or more than the top 200 F/O's but I didn't get anything out of USAPA except an injunction and a weak, ineffective but obscenely expensive union."

Frankly, a few thousand hours of backpedaling for the next 15 years or so would be good for them.

 

[Metrojet]

You have a written receipt proving you paid $675 for a tie, and you get to wear it around your neck. But you have nothing in writing to prove your supposition about lost opportunity costs, other than a Leonidas publication sent to addresses that were stolen, causing the company to buy Lifelock for all.

Just admit it though, this isn't about ties or Lifelock, it's about upgrades and wide bodies, and that's why you guys have paid Marty millions trying to get them.

I heard that the lead attorney from the firm that AOL retained (Marty ) is not with the firm any more and is now representing AOL as an independent practitioner because AOL owes so much money to the firm?

Can anyone confirm or deny this rumor?

 

[Metrojet]

I'm not gonna jump on the little nimrod, it's all he's got. Your tie cost you $675, his lanyard cost him about $150K. Comparison over.

Incorrect assumption - if he has upgraded in the last 3 years or so - his little yellow lanyard has returned an investment of almost $80,000 thru the end of 2013. And your $675 tie has lost you thousands if according to your logic - if the TA was passed with the "Kirby" proposal and NIC implemented - you would have had upgraded / and or gotten a hourly pay increase.

 

[Jim]

Lost $150k, gained $80k from upgrade, still in the hole $70k. Yup, that's a good return.

 

[TWA Dude]

Can anyone confirm or deny this rumor?

Thank you for your concern. Marty did leave the firm around fall of last year. No idea why but there's no change in our representation from him and Andy.

How long till the next "rumor" that AOL is broke surfaces?

 

[Metrojet]

Thank you for your concern. Marty did leave the firm around fall of last year. No idea why but there's no change in our representation from him and Andy.

How long till the next "rumor" that AOL is broke surfaces?

Thanks for confirming the rumor as true. No other rumors here.

Metrojet