FlexJet / Flight Options / SkyJet

[V1 Rotate]

We don't. Couldn't care less about a company facebook messenger. I have a Flops email address with everyone's email. If I want to know something or have a question, I will send an email, and I will get a response.

What we want is for you guys to admit that the excuse that they gave you about why we are unable to be on Yammer is completely, unequivocally, unmistakably, explicitly, and indisputably not true.

You guys say that you are tired of Union Pushers on FI.

What I am tired of, is Flex Management Pushers on FI.

I'm anything but a Flexjet management pusher. Wanna know what I'm fired of? The demagoguery of the 1108 pushers. How about that? The name calling and the attempt to discredit anyone who has an opposing opinion. It's gotten beyond the point that you're looking out for us and trying to protect us from Kenn. You've made it obvious that you hope we fall flat on our faces. Maybe not Flexjet as a whole, but at a minimum those of us that have opposing opinions.

 

[Club ORD FO]

I know you guys have had some bad leaders before, but you new boss is a good one. Don't judge her based on others actions.

Technically she is not their boss. She's the CEO (sorta) of flexjet but the head of finance for options. That right? And there is an options guy, I don't know his name, who is the CEO of options and in charge of "strategy" for Flexjet. I dunno, it seems overly complicated. JW on the other hand has the same title across both companies.

But regardless I do like her. She actually remembered my first name when I saw her a second time. She made a real effort to get to know her employees and had some good ideas when she took over.

 

[jetwash]

We don't. Couldn't care less about a company facebook messenger. I have a Flops email address with everyone's email.

So it is a Facebook site where you and your Frat buddies can get drunk and chat with your Granny and mom monitoring what you say.

Sounds fun, when do I get to join :laugh:

 

[V1 Rotate]

So it is a Facebook site where you and your Frat buddies can get drunk and chat with your Granny and mom monitoring what you say.

Sounds fun, when do I get to join :laugh:

It's ridiculousness like this is why you shouldn't be taken seriously. You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Technically she is not their boss. She's the CEO (sorta) of flexjet but the head of finance for options. That right? And there is an options guy, I don't know his name, who is the CEO of options and in charge of "strategy" for Flexjet. I dunno, it seems overly complicated. JW on the other hand has the same title across both companies.

But regardless I do like her. She actually remembered my first name when I saw her a second time. She made a real effort to get to know her employees and had some good ideas when she took over.

I need to look again for the email announcement. I believe she was named president if the "closed fleet". That is FJ and FO.

I will search for the email and check.

Ok, found it.

March 3rd JW was named VP of operations for the closed fleet (FO and FJ). Operations, maintenance and flight operations now report directly to him. He replaced KS who is now with Constant Aviation.

JW reports to DW. Hence FO pilots report to their bosses who report to JW who reports to DW.

Any questions?

 

[BE40Driver]

All of Flightoptions manuals and employee guides show Silvestro as CEO of Flightoptions. I don't know how long the company has to make revisions when there is a management change. There has not been any official word as to changes of our management.

 

[Club ORD FO]

JW reports to DW. Hence FO pilots report to their bosses who report to JW who reports to DW.

Any questions?

Actually, yes. On the options side, wouldn't JW report to Silvestro?

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Actually, yes. On the options side, wouldn't JW report to Silvestro?

Nope.

 

[BE40Driver]

Flightoptions flow chart shows JW reports to JS reports to MS.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Nope.

The email I'm thinking of was the one from KR that announced DW staying on as CEO but with different responsibilities. I can't find so... maybe somebody else remembers the exact wording.

 

[The Architect]

Editing

I need to look again for the email announcement. I believe she was named president if the "closed fleet". That is FJ and FO.

I will search for the email and check.

Ok, found it.

March 3rd JW was named VP of operations for the closed fleet (FO and FJ). Operations, maintenance and flight operations now report directly to him. He replaced KS who is now with Constant Aviation.

JW reports to DW. Hence FO pilots report to their bosses who report to JW who reports to DW.

Any questions?

Yes.

Did you add the parenthesis and their contents?

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Flightoptions flow chart shows JW reports to JS reports to MS.

How up to date is this flow chart?

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Yes.

Did you add the parenthesis and their contents?

I actually paraphrased the email since I don't copy and paste company emails.

The information in the parenthesis was accurate per the email.

Guessing your management didn't make you aware of these changes. You guys say that your management is great about communicating information to you. Did you get this on one of your Friday emails?

Did you get any information from your union regarding these important changes?

 

[gret]

Thanks buddy. You arr of cource rigght. My edditor is on vacations. What cann i saay.

I know your just tryen to help out.

No problem...know you have strong feelings with your views about the union and respect them...just feel they're misguided and if you devoted your efforts to the positive side, you'll be a star...time will tell...they're not out to get you get you!

 

[The Architect]

Not my Management

I actually paraphrased the email since I don't copy and paste company emails.

The information in the parenthesis was accurate per the email.

Guessing your management didn't make you aware of these changes. You guys say that your management is great about communicating information to you. Did you get this on one of your Friday emails?

Did you get any information from your union regarding these important changes?

First, not my management.

Second, paraphrasing - it sure wasn't presented like that.

Lastly, someone is going to love getting a March 3rd communication indicating an operational merger occurred. It will substantiate the unions grievance.

Wait a second. I thought the union was forcing the merger. But you have a communication indicating the company was doing so in early March?

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

First, not my management.

Second, paraphrasing - it sure wasn't presented like that.

Lastly, someone is going to love getting a March 3rd communication indicating an operational merger occurred. It will substantiate the unions grievance.

Wait a second. I thought the union was forcing the merger. But you have a communication indicating the company was doing so in early March?

Operational merger has been announced. It is no secret. This is management, dispatch, maintenance, scheduling, marketing, IT and other departments that overlap.

If the IBT wants to file for single carrier status then go ahead. The quicker you get the NMB to get us to vote the quicker the IBT will be gone.

Operational (behind the scenes) integration has nothing to do with the pilots. The IBT knows this is going on.

Wake up to the new DAC.

 

[FR8DOG777]

This is border line ridiculous. Call the vote tomorrow so we can move on with life. The pros at flex, most of which seem to have come from the bastard asa offspring of Jerry Atkins seem to have everything figured out. Good God this industry could not get any more pathetic. Flex pilots: we're the greatest. Flex pilots we don't need no union, netjets get raises and our management will match. Plus we get that without 1.56 percent. Club I hope you never flew for Ata before they shut down. My friends there would be embarrassed to be in the same room as you. Shut it down. You guys are next on Kenny s chopping block

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

Look, I will tell you this. Ricci doesn’t run Flexjet, get a handle on that. Seahawk 4/15

Two more for the list. They’re priceless:

Wake up to the new DAC. TWA 5/1

Our direct contracts with management are as binding as your CBA. TWA 5/1

 

[Praetorian]

How's your union plan of going from rags to riches working out?

Actually quite well. My wages have gone up about 40% since we ratified the CBA four years ago. One of my good buddie's went up more than that over that same period. Also I can now go to work and not have to worry that I'll be called on the carpet if I make one little mistake, or piss off the wrong manager. I can call fatigue and tell them what time I'm willing to come back to work the next day without any repercussions. I know what my duty on time is for each work day and no one tries to call me in the middle of the night to make me start early. If I have a problem that I can't solve myself with a manager (rarely happens), I can call the steward on duty 24/7 and he will intervene on my behalf to help sort it out. At the end of the day I know my work rules, job protections and wages are all in writing, with an enforcement mechanism in place. I know my union is working hard every day to protect me and my fellow pilots and to enforce our contract so nothing changes at the whim of management like it so often did in the past.

So yes, I guess you're right. I'd rather roll the dice on the status quo and if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.

That's like saying you'd file to an airport that's forecast to be below minimums, without an alternate within your fuel range and then say to your co-pilot, "Hey we'll deal with it when we get there."

But you'd never admit it if happened to you. I think this conversation has gotten to the point where you guys want us to fail just as much as we want you to succeed in achieving more. We're not going to convince each other otherwise so why not bury the hatchet and agree to disagree? The back and forth is getting very monotonous and is providing no meaningful dialogue.

But I'm not wrong, I've been working at this company for 14 years and I know exactly what our collective senior management is capable of. This is all just business for them. They'd cut you in a heartbeat right now if they didn't need something from you.

We don't want you to fail. We want all of us to succeed together, because that's the only way it can happen in this situation. We are very afraid that you've made up your minds, based of information fed to you by your managers, without the benefit of having taken the time, or making an effort to get the other side of the story. We are also afraid that when the critical moment arrives you will have just kept your heads down, failed to get the information you needed to make an informed decision, and will do just as you said, "roll the dice on the status quo".

Then, after you've given up all the leverage you currently hold, which stems from the fact that KR needs your no vote, he cuts your pay, changes your schedules and otherwise ruins your work life and we will be along for the ride with you. I wonder how long it will take for him to purge the ranks of the FO pilots of all those who had the courage to stand against him in the past.

What a happy bunch we will all be! We few, we lucky few, we... Oh never mind.

 

[Praetorian]

No problem...know you have strong feelings with your views about the union and respect them...just feel they're misguided and if you devoted your efforts to the positive side, you'll be a star...time will tell...they're not out to get you get you!

Snif. I think that the nicest thing you've ever said to me.

But your wrong. They are out to get us, they want our union gone.