DOJ stipulates Love Field gates auctioned only to LCC's

[slaquer5]

Years ago, when DFW first opened, Braniff went back over to DAL to match SWA's operation. SWA could not compete and had them removed from the airport. That is what started the Wright Amendment. The WA was always about keeping SWA protected. It's why it was continuously adjusted thru the years (to match what SWA was ready to do) For you SWA guys that doubt that happened, take a good look at what's going on today. The DOJ [the government] is *prohibiting* non LCC airlines from bidding on DAL gates. Think about that for a moment. Who's really being kept out of the bidding here? UAL AMR & DAL. Or, basically, the only airlines that could really mount serious competition there.

This really ought to be a wake up call. This is not the free market and this is not capitalism.

I have to ask



Do you actually believe what you post ?

 

[HowardBorden]

SWA could not compete and had them removed from the airport.

How exactly did they accomplish that?

 

[Freebrd]

Lets resurrect Hooters Air and have them bid for the DAL gates and then the General can go fly for them and he will be able to land at DAL (this must be his ultimate dream)

Nah she wants to do LBB!

 

[SWA Bubba]

Years ago, when DFW first opened, Braniff went back over to DAL to match SWA's operation. SWA could not compete and had them removed from the airport. That is what started the Wright Amendment. The WA was always about keeping SWA protected. It's why it was continuously adjusted thru the years (to match what SWA was ready to do) For you SWA guys that doubt that happened, take a good look at what's going on today. The DOJ [the government] is *prohibiting* non LCC airlines from bidding on DAL gates. Think about that for a moment. Who's really being kept out of the bidding here? UAL AMR & DAL. Or, basically, the only airlines that could really mount serious competition there.

This really ought to be a wake up call. This is not the free market and this is not capitalism.

Dude, you must have serious brain issues if you really believe any of this.

Braniff was one of the airlines found guilty in criminal court (along with Continental and Texas International) for their illegal efforts to kill Southwest. They "competed" with us however they wanted, and even in Dallas. You should really look up the "$13 fare war":

http://www.texasmonthly.com/story/great-airline-war/page/0/8

Braniff undercut our fares (charging only $13 from DAL-HOU) in order to "outlast" Southwest and kill them, despite losing money every time one of their planes took off on a competitive flight. Southwest "won" that war by giving away liquor with every full fare ticket ($26), and kept all the business travelers on expense accounts. Braniff eventually discontinued that competition, since they were losing so much money. Nobody at Southwest "had them removed" from Love Field. Where the hell do you get this crap? Tell me Flop, how exactly do you claim we had the power to do that, seeing as how at the time, every other player (the other airlines, both cities, and both airports) pretty much hated us?

Anyway, this all happened in 1973, and had not the first friggin' thing to do with the Wright Amendment. Another ridiculous assertion on your part. Southwest was an intrastate Texas carrier until the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978, and we announced service to other states for 1979. Again the other airlines file frivolous lawsuits to stop us, and again, they were shut out in court for lack of merit. So Rep Jim Wright from Ft Worth (the Speaker of the House at the time) snuck in the Wright Amendment, which changed the law specifically to thwart Southwest, and prevent American (and the other DFW carriers) from having to compete with Southwest on more interstate routes from Dallas. It was amended several times over the years by congressmen wanting Southwest to be able to serve their cites from Dallas.

You really ought to read some actual history before you spout off stupid crap. You're just making yourself look bad.

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

Years ago, when DFW first opened, Braniff went back over to DAL to match SWA's operation. SWA could not compete and had them removed from the airport. That is what started the Wright Amendment. The WA was always about keeping SWA protected. It's why it was continuously adjusted thru the years (to match what SWA was ready to do) For you SWA guys that doubt that happened, take a good look at what's going on today. The DOJ [the government] is *prohibiting* non LCC airlines from bidding on DAL gates. Think about that for a moment. Who's really being kept out of the bidding here? UAL AMR & DAL. Or, basically, the only airlines that could really mount serious competition there.

This really ought to be a wake up call. This is not the free market and this is not capitalism.

By the way, since you're one of those delusional souls who keeps insisting against logic, that the Wright Amendment was "about keeping SWA protected," perhaps you could explain that particular tidbit to the rest of us. How exactly was a law preventing us from doing what we wanted to do, "protecting" us? How exactly was a law, specifically preventing us from doing what we had gone to court to win the right to do, "protecting" us? Why would Rep Wright, representing the DFW district, and recipient of millions of dollars in contributions from American, Braniff, etc. even want to "protect" an airline that competed with his constituents? Do you not even realize how dumb making this claim sounds?

I've heard people make this claim several times over the years (well, mostly from you, Flop), but nobody has been able to actually show that it's anything other that a bunch of self-serving crapola. Perhaps you'd like to take a shot at it.

Bubba

 

[Flopgut]

Bubba: You like to talk/write a lot. Diarrhea of the mouth. Just let this marinate on your brain: The DOJ is crafting a deal to make sure you don't have to compete with a legacy. Good for you! It's all good man. Just don't act like you're anything but a cake eater, all right? Cause that's what you are.

 

[HowardBorden]

Man alive, you really like to bet. Nah, I said we'll see, that is not certainty. And I say I start debate, not troll. Also, you seem to really take this seriously. I actually enjoy this board, and the debate. You sound like you are one beat away from a total heart attack.

You Sir are a coward!

You constantly assert you are a superior intellect with superior debating skills, but it is all just a flimsy facade. You want everyone to believe you have all the answers but you slink away with your tail between your legs when someone challenges your industry knowledge! You said "We'll see, that it's not a certainty." But I have told you it is a certainty and I'm willing to bet I know more than you about this industry. You wont take the wager to prove you are what you say you are. You are nothing but a fake and a charlatan.

 

[General Lee]

You Sir are a coward!

You constantly assert you are a superior intellect with superior debating skills, but it is all just a flimsy facade. You want everyone to believe you have all the answers but you slink away with your tail between your legs when someone challenges your industry knowledge! You said "We'll see, that it's not a certainty." But I have told you it is a certainty and I'm willing to bet I know more than you about this industry. You wont take the wager to prove you are what you say you are. You are nothing but a fake and a charlatan.

You are an idiot. This is an anonymous rumor board. Get over yourself! You wanna bet what??? Why? I bet you guys and your union don't press for change to the buy your type deal with your company for newhires who aren't typed. I bet there are tons of AT guys who will always be pizzed that you and your union hosed them with the ridiculous SLI that management should have avoided all contact with. I bet you and many of the other Cornies think of me when you land in West Texas (yesss!). And I bet your airline will stagnate thanks to fewer retirements, making a lot of the bottom 1/3 look at other possible jobs.

Any other bets? I bet I'll eat more sundaes across the North Atlantic than you will, I bet I will have more variety in planes and interesting routes than you will, and I bet I will enjoy my flying more than you will.

Howie, you are miserable, bored, and know turbulence is ahead. So what do you do? Call someone you can't debate on an "anonymous" board a coward. Wow, you are losing it. And I'm a fake? On an anonymous board? No.....you're a fake? Riiiight? Emirite? You're "NUTS!"



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[HowardBorden]

You wanna bet what??? Why?

You know what I want to bet and you know why.

The what is that Delta will not obtain the gates up for auction at Love.

The why is because I am correct and you don't want to admit you are wrong when you say it is likely Delta will obtain them.

The rest is just your endless blather and obfuscation.

 

[General Lee]

You know what I want to bet and you know why.

The what is that Delta will not obtain the gates up for auction at Love.

The why is because I am correct and you don't want to admit you are wrong when you say it is likely Delta will obtain them.

The rest is just your endless blather and obfuscation.

I bet DL will be trying it's hardest to keep the gates they already use there and try to get a couple more. The other LCCs out there may not want to reestablish a presence there vs DFW. The Dallas Love airport probably likes DL's plans, lots of new flights and revenue. The people of Dallas may want extra competition. Lots of things can make or break the request. But, somehow you are CERTAIN DL's lobbyists will fail. Well, okay then.....?


Bye Bye---General Lee