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True. But some on some days... "you have been rebooked, you need to go to the Alaska ticket counter and show them this for your flight to JNU"

Talk about over confidence. Let's see what happens. I have a feeling "green pages" will be added, and there will be plenty of practice runs and sims. The locals apparently can't wait according to many responses following the written articles.



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Well, I can give you my phone number: 867--5309

My Red American Express number is: 696969----696969---6969


Good enough? No? Oh well. How about you throw out your Minot airport Lav dumper ID with a picture of you and your blue lips. Hey, no sipping on the blue juice!


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Ahh yes, the type of response one would expect from someone who has made quite a name for himself for being an idiot. And not just an idiot where people on FI make fun of you, but where your name is being made fun of outside of the FI world.
 
Ahh yes, the type of response one would expect from someone who has made quite a name for himself for being an idiot. And not just an idiot where people on FI make fun of you, but where your name is being made fun of outside of the FI world.

Really? I don't care. You are the biggest idiot around. This is an anonymous board..... Wow!



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It looks like Delta's marketing department didn't quite clear everything with Delta's flight ops department. Oops.
Sometimes they get a little ahead of themselves!

Southwest's toughest competition, however, might come from Delta Air Lines, which is already selling tickets for flights in late 2014 from Love Field to New York, Los Angeles, Atlanta, Minneapolis and Detroit.
There's just one hitch: Delta doesn't know if it will have any gates at Love Field.
Delta, which is leasing the gates, wants to buy them from American, but so does Southwest, and other airlines could enter the bidding. The U.S. Justice Department has said that the gates shouldn't go to so-called legacy carriers such as Delta and United
 
Sometimes they get a little ahead of themselves!

Southwest's toughest competition, however, might come from Delta Air Lines, which is already selling tickets for flights in late 2014 from Love Field to New York, Los Angeles, Atlanta, Minneapolis and Detroit.
There's just one hitch: Delta doesn't know if it will have any gates at Love Field.
Delta, which is leasing the gates, wants to buy them from American, but so does Southwest, and other airlines could enter the bidding. The U.S. Justice Department has said that the gates shouldn't go to so-called legacy carriers such as Delta and United


Don't ever let the truth get in the way of good marketing...

Mookie
 
Sometimes they get a little ahead of themselves!

Southwest's toughest competition, however, might come from Delta Air Lines, which is already selling tickets for flights in late 2014 from Love Field to New York, Los Angeles, Atlanta, Minneapolis and Detroit.
There's just one hitch: Delta doesn't know if it will have any gates at Love Field.
Delta, which is leasing the gates, wants to buy them from American, but so does Southwest, and other airlines could enter the bidding. The U.S. Justice Department has said that the gates shouldn't go to so-called legacy carriers such as Delta and United


Funny, DL is already using some of those gates. I guess the Cornies bought a lot of pizzas this year.... Because we know they are the TRUE LCC.... Just ask GK, he thinks so. Emirite?

It's kinda funny, you guys spout off wanting more competition in the big NE airports, but sure as heck don't want it at Dallas Love. Nope. We'll see how many gates DL gets.



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Don't ever let the truth get in the way of good marketing...

Mookie

I don't think they get to make the call, just give an opinion. They also didn't want AA and US together. How'd that work out Mookie? Truth is you don't understand the process.

Remember this Mookie? :

"Reported by: Vinay Bhaskara, Sr. Correspondent Airchive.com Aug 13, 2013 2:56PM EST

Earlier today, the US Department of Justice (DOJ), along with six state attorney generals and the District of Columbia filed an antitrust suit challenging the proposed merger between US Airways Group Inc. and American Airlines parent AMR Corp. The lawsuit to block the merger was filed in the US District Court for the District of Columbia, and was filed by the DOJ?s Antitrust Division in conjunction with the attorneys general of Texas (home of AMR?s headquarters), Arizona (home of US Airways? headquarters), Florida, the District of Columbia, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, and Virginia."




What happened btw, Mookie? Howie? Comments?




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I don't think they get to make the call, just give an opinion. They also didn't want AA and US together. How'd that work out Mookie? Truth is you don't understand the process.

Remember this Mookie? :

"Reported by: Vinay Bhaskara, Sr. Correspondent Airchive.com Aug 13, 2013 2:56PM EST

Earlier today, the US Department of Justice (DOJ), along with six state attorney generals and the District of Columbia filed an antitrust suit challenging the proposed merger between US Airways Group Inc. and American Airlines parent AMR Corp. The lawsuit to block the merger was filed in the US District Court for the District of Columbia, and was filed by the DOJ?s Antitrust Division in conjunction with the attorneys general of Texas (home of AMR?s headquarters), Arizona (home of US Airways? headquarters), Florida, the District of Columbia, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, and Virginia."




What happened btw, Mookie? Howie? Comments?




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Couldn't care less...I'm sure you'll be there to tell me my opinion though.


Mookie
 
Funny, DL is already using some of those gates. I guess the Cornies bought a lot of pizzas this year.... Because we know they are the TRUE LCC.... Just ask GK, he thinks so. Emirite?

It's kinda funny, you guys spout off wanting more competition in the big NE airports, but sure as heck don't want it at Dallas Love. Nope. We'll see how many gates DL gets.
Yes, Delta is already is using some of those gates but as was pointed out, they don't own them and the owner needs to sell them. That divestiture will be controlled by the DOJ which says Delta need not apply. They very well may say SWA will not be allowed to bid on those gates also. Selling tickets on flights from an airport where you own no gates and the DOJ has specifically stated you will not be able to purchase the ones you are currently using seems to be placing the cart before the horse doesn't it? If you can't see the conflict there you simply aren't trying very hard.


When DOJ announced the settlement Nov. 12, Assistant Attorney General Bill Baer made it clear that the department wanted the assets to go to low-cost carriers so they could bring price competition to more markets.
"We see the legacy carriers as part of the problem. We see low-cost carriers as a key part of the solution," Baer told reporters. Asked if airlines like Delta should bother applying for the American and US Airways assets, Bear replied: "That's up to them. But the papers make pretty clear where we think these gates and slots need to go in order to improve on a competitive dynamic today which is not as healthy as it could be."
 
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Couldn't care less...I'm sure you'll be there to tell me my opinion though.


Mookie

Exactly..... I thought so. No comment.... How about GL was correct? The DOj has an opinion only, but you and Howie thought it was set in stone already. The article he brought up was printed before SWA was awarded the DC slots too. We'll see what pull the DL lobbyists have, but US/AA seemed to do alright overall.



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Yes, Delta is already is using some of those gates but as was pointed out, they don't own them and the owner needs to sell them. That divestiture will be controlled by the DOJ which says Delta need not apply. They very well may say SWA will not be allowed to bid on those gates also. Selling tickets on flights from an airport where you own no gates and the DOJ has specifically stated you will not be able to purchase the ones you are currently using seems to be placing the cart before the horse doesn't it? If you can't see the conflict there you simply aren't trying very hard.


When DOJ announced the settlement Nov. 12, Assistant Attorney General Bill Baer made it clear that the department wanted the assets to go to low-cost carriers so they could bring price competition to more markets.
"We see the legacy carriers as part of the problem. We see low-cost carriers as a key part of the solution," Baer told reporters. Asked if airlines like Delta should bother applying for the American and US Airways assets, Bear replied: "That's up to them. But the papers make pretty clear where we think these gates and slots need to go in order to improve on a competitive dynamic today which is not as healthy as it could be."


Hmmmm. Assistant Attorney General who said what? Again, has it been decided or not yet? DL is currently using some of those gates. I doubt they would lose those, and seeing how many slots SWA got at DCA, I'd say there is a good chance to gain gates at DAL. We'll just have to see...



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Hmmmm. Assistant Attorney General who said what? Again, has it been decided or not yet? DL is currently using some of those gates. I doubt they would lose those, and seeing how many slots SWA got at DCA, I'd say there is a good chance to gain gates at DAL. We'll just have to see...
You simply are too obtuse or deliberately disingenuous in the light of factual evidence put out by the body governing these divestitures. You keep saying you have all the right facts and are knowledgeable yet you have this inability to comprehend factual statements when they are presented to you! Let me try one last time.

http://www.justice.gov/atr/cases/f301600/301618.pdf

As alleged in the Complaint, this merger would combine two of the four major 'legacy' carriers, leaving 'New American,' Delta, and United as the remaining major national network carriers. In contrast to the legacy carriers, other carriers (hereinafter referred to as 'low-cost carriers' or 'LCCs'), such as Southwest Airlines ('Southwest'), JetBlue Airways ('JetBlue'), Virgin America, Frontier Airlines, and Spirit Airlines, have less extensive networks and tend to focus more heavily on lower fares and other value propositions.

The Divestiture of Gates at Other Key Airports
Section IV. of the Proposed Final Judgment requires that New American will transfer, consistent with the practices of the relevant airport authority, to another carrier or carriers approved by DOJ in its sole discretion, all rights and interests in two gates. The proposed Final Judgment also includes divestitures at Dallas Love Field, an airport near American's largest hub at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport ('DFW'). Gates at DFW are readily available, but Love Field, which is much closer to downtown Dallas, is highly gate-constrained. The divestitures will position a low-cost carrier to provide vigorous competition to the New American's nonstop and connecting service out of DFW.


 
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You simply are too obtuse or deliberately disingenuous in the light of factual evidence put out by the body governing these divestitures. You keep saying you have all the right facts and are knowledgeable yet you have this inability to comprehend factual statements when they are presented to you! Let me try one last time.

http://www.justice.gov/atr/cases/f301600/301618.pdf

As alleged in the Complaint, this merger would combine two of the four major 'legacy' carriers, leaving 'New American,' Delta, and United as the remaining major national network carriers. In contrast to the legacy carriers, other carriers (hereinafter referred to as 'low-cost carriers' or 'LCCs'), such as Southwest Airlines ('Southwest'), JetBlue Airways ('JetBlue'), Virgin America, Frontier Airlines, and Spirit Airlines, have less extensive networks and tend to focus more heavily on lower fares and other value propositions.

The Divestiture of Gates at Other Key Airports
Section IV. of the Proposed Final Judgment requires that New American will transfer, consistent with the practices of the relevant airport authority, to another carrier or carriers approved by DOJ in its sole discretion, all rights and interests in two gates. The proposed Final Judgment also includes divestitures at Dallas Love Field, an airport near American's largest hub at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport ('DFW'). Gates at DFW are readily available, but Love Field, which is much closer to downtown Dallas, is highly gate-constrained. The divestitures will position a low-cost carrier to provide vigorous competition to the New American's nonstop and connecting service out of DFW.



So, has the final decision been handed down yet? If not, there is time to negotiate. I bet they are..... Wow Howie, you sure are certain, yet it hasn't been decided. The DOj also said no to AA/ US initially, right? Emirite? Spirit already has a DFW base, and JB may not want Dallas Love. Other LCCs may not want the gates. You never know....


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I hear the offer was 1billlion !!! To look at all our RNP stuff for 6 months .. And we told RA thanks .. but no thanks ...

Me thinks big D might be a little behind on its RNP technology ?!?!
 
I hear the offer was 1billlion !!! To look at all our RNP stuff for 6 months .. And we told RA thanks .. but no thanks ...

Me thinks big D might be a little behind on its RNP technology ?!?!

Really? I heard it was two trillion for a 20 second peak...??.. DL has been doing RNP stuff for years. Quito needed one after an Iberia A340-600 took out the ILS after a long landing.

One Billion for a 3 month Summer flight to JNU? Really? C'mon, really? I think two trillion for a peak is closer....


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Lemon Creek Baby!

I have a feeling they are looking into every procedure and talking to the locals, who apparently want them there.... And yeah, they can follow you after your rwy 8 dep.......????

And, I can't wait until you try the "Rnwy 38 dep" at Quito..... Sooo awesome!

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Everyone keeps talking about this Quito RNP approach. I just watched the video and I'm wondering what I'm missing. There isn't a mountain in sight, no wind, no rain, no snow, no compacted snow & ice, no dark of night, no 6,000 feet of runway surrounded by water, and no 70 degree turn to final at 400 feet. I think the last visual I did into LAS was harder! Comparing this Quito approach to our RNP's into ADK, ADQ, CDV, JNU, SIT, KTN, PSG and WRG is just like so totally silly!
Now if the big D pilots can rip out a JNU Rwy 8 Lemon Creek departure from memory - then I will grovel at the feet of the men wearing submarine commander uniforms!
 
Now if the big D pilots can rip out a JNU Rwy 8 Lemon Creek departure from memory - then I will grovel at the feet of the men wearing submarine commander uniforms!

Sorry to say, you may have to start groveling. According to some of the guys that were around when delta used to fly into JNU, they were doing the Lemon Creek IMC until they realized it was a VMC procedure!! They get the biggest balls award on that one from me.....
 
I agree!
When we would train the Lemon Creek in the old 200 sims (that had visuals like an Atari game from 1983), the instructors would turn the daylight way down, put the cloud deck at 1,000 ft and vis at 3 miles then crank up the turbulence. We couldn't see squat, so it might as well been an IMC maneuver.
It was an entirely different thing sitting at the end of the runway, wind howling, looking at the clouds laying in the Lemon Creek valley, trying to make up your mind if it was good enough to go. Those were good times where we did the best we could with what we had.
 
Everyone keeps talking about this Quito RNP approach. I just watched the video and I'm wondering what I'm missing. There isn't a mountain in sight, no wind, no rain, no snow, no compacted snow & ice, no dark of night, no 6,000 feet of runway surrounded by water, and no 70 degree turn to final at 400 feet. I think the last visual I did into LAS was harder! Comparing this Quito approach to our RNP's into ADK, ADQ, CDV, JNU, SIT, KTN, PSG and WRG is just like so totally silly!
Now if the big D pilots can rip out a JNU Rwy 8 Lemon Creek departure from memory - then I will grovel at the feet of the men wearing submarine commander uniforms!

Uhhhhhh, Quito changed airports AFTER DL used the RNP stuff at the previous airport. The new one opened a year or two ago. Look at numerous videos online if needed. The previous one took you over a heavily populated downtown area with Volcanos all around. That was the one used when the Iberia A346 overran and took out the ILS.

Look, you guys are really cocky. Try flying long distance to places that can't really speak English. Oh wait, you don't and won't have planes for that. But, you've got your approach to JNU! Fannnnntastic! And will Horizon be using your RNP approaches in Alaska as they take over most of your routes there? I hope so. When does that start in earnest?



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uh huh, sure do, lots

Except the last contract may affect your own outsourcing. Vietnam is calling you back turdy.



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Anybody can fly to any of these places were discussing .. But if you don't have the right approaches and training for them .. Your chance of Successes is going to be limited is all ...
 
Really? Only one? You obviously have no idea. Ever seen the YouTube video of the AA 757 landing in the bowl at Tegucigalpa? DL has a daily 737-700 into there from ATL. How about Bogota? How about Guatemala City? How about flying into Moscow with the language differences and meters conversions on Altitude (in China too). How about handling security concerns in Africa? How about all of the differences you can't even dream about? Big difference in operations, and I really have a feeling that solutions will be produced. And, time and money will be used to do it correctly.

Your last statements are silly. Everyone knows those flights are mainly for connections, right? Emirite?


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As you pontificate about how great the major airlines are at getting in and out of those airports, one has to wonder how the non-majors manage to do it as well? Atlas, World, Kalitta, Skylease Cargo, Centurion to name a few. Handle security in Africa? how about Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or number of other countries with security issues. Oh yea most of these carriers have little support.
You should try flying into Kabul at 650,000 lbs on an ILS that has 3.25 degree GS, its high, hot and dangerous. Even with out the funding of the mighty BIG D, we manage to do it.
As a Delta Diamond I entrust myself and my family to the professionalism of the crew-members of Delta month in and month out. I call a fair number of the Delta family friends and colleagues, but you sir are off you lid! and I frankly can't believe you got through the physiological phase of the interview rocking or not rocking.
 
Anybody can fly to any of these places were discussing .. But if you don't have the right approaches and training for them .. Your chance of Successes is going to be limited is all ...

Do you really think DL hasn't trained their pilots for RNP apps? Really? Maybe DL will develop their own for JNU, or just do regular apps with higher mins. I don't know, but I bet they are working on it....



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As you pontificate about how great the major airlines are at getting in and out of those airports, one has to wonder how the non-majors manage to do it as well? Atlas, World, Kalitta, Skylease Cargo, Centurion to name a few. Handle security in Africa? how about Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or number of other countries with security issues. Oh yea most of these carriers have little support.
You should try flying into Kabul at 650,000 lbs on an ILS that has 3.25 degree GS, its high, hot and dangerous. Even with out the funding of the mighty BIG D, we manage to do it.
As a Delta Diamond I entrust myself and my family to the professionalism of the crew-members of Delta month in and month out. I call a fair number of the Delta family friends and colleagues, but you sir are off you lid! and I frankly can't believe you got through the physiological phase of the interview rocking or not rocking.

Hmmm. Someone can't enjoy banter on an anonymous board? Can't enjoy raucous debate? I'm glad I don't fly with you, to Kabul or Dayton, OH. No thanks...... Try to relax a bit, and have fun out there! (even in Baghdad)



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Genital, your retard level continues to grow
 

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