TWA settlement

[PCL_128]

I simply cut and pasted from a lawsuit filed in United States District Court Northern Division. This document is a matter of public record. Anyone can file a lawsuit and recent history excluded, winning a DFR suit is an extremely tall hurdle to overcome.

Exactly.

 

[PCL_128]

Toad..What alternate universe are you living in if you think one could not deduce who you are just from the manner and style of your postings much less the content. I too hope you pay soon for your recent disgusting and disturbing comments. Please resign your ALPO EVP and leave this pilot group at once.

RV

Dick, this is an anonymous forum, so I will neither confirm nor deny my identity, but you're free to believe whatever you want.

 

[ironspud]

http://twapilot.org/groupee_files/attachments/3/0/3/3030070966/3030070966_TWA-ALPA_Verdict.pdf?ts=52E6A0A6&key=9D5DC78500D611324CEC131A2ACB3F12&referrer=http%3A%2F%2Ftwapilot.org%2Feve%2Fforums%2Fa%2Fga%2Ful%2F4030070966%2FTWA-ALPA_Verdict.pdf

 

[Mk3tm]

...I was in complete disbelief when the MEC voted the deal down. Not because I new it was a great deal, but because I knew things would change quickly..and not for the better.

Well, ALPA knew it too, but not the pilots. The Merger Committee guys told us later that GK had briefed the entire ALPA staff on where this was heading without a pilot vote, complete with warnings about Transtar, apparently. The vice chair on the Merger Committee said none other than our EVP helped cover up the details of that meeting at a time the pilots were begging for info.

That's probably why the ALPA staff wanted the thing to have a vote. Too bad we didn't know until it was too late.

No wonder SWA was pissed. They had an agreement with ALPA only to have ALPA torpedo it by not allowing a pilot vote. ALPA accepted the deal before they rejected it. They were for it before they were against it! Cue the John Kerry voice...

Saved SWA a ton of money GK was trying to pay us. Helped fund the 717 conversion.

 

[twepilot]

"...so I will neither confirm nor deny my identity..."
Why is that Toad? Not proud to have your comments linked to your "identity?" Again, like it even matters Toad. Everyone on here knows who you are...You're in fantasy land if you think your "identity" or cover isn't blown ya stooge.
RV

 

[Clyde Frog]

That's because PCL wanted it all.

The gameplan was to downplay the SW contract from day one. Why? Because they knew it would be there in the end. So focus only on seniority. Once seniority was decided, then the money would be there regardless.

Well that changes quickly when Gary guarantees you those pay rates and work rules immediately with other protections for a SL on the table. ALPA overplayed their hand and cost the AirTran pilots literally tens of millions of dollars.

...and the threats/ultimatums will ultimately cost SWA much more over the long term. It may not be a line item they will see on a financial statement, but it will be there just the same. I have a long time until I retire, but will never lift a finger for this place...well, maybe a certain finger.

 

[redflyer65]

...and the threats/ultimatums will ultimately cost SWA much more over the long term.

Good luck with that Clyde. 1 of 50 thousand. Knock yourself out.

 

[Raoul Duke]

If I am who you claim I am, don't you think I would know what ALPA Legal really thinks? So either I am who you think I am and ALPA Legal disagrees with you, or I'm not who you claim I am. Either way, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

P.S. Union representatives can't be held personally liable. That's why DFR suits are filed against the union instead of against the reps.

Hold on a second - since the $55M payment to TWA pilots was described as a "nuisance" settlement (your words not mine), why wouldn't ALPA avoid the cost and risk of litigation and make a similar offer to the Air Tran pilots. While they may want more, I imagine that amount would take alot of the sting out of their current dispute.

 

[PCL_128]

It's unlikely that that lawsuit will even make it past summary judgment.

 

[XTW]

Flounder!

This guy reminds me of a character on National Lampoon's Animal House.




Group B4
First Officer Todd Ortscheid, AirTran

First Officer Todd Ortscheid was reelected executive vice president, Group B4, of the Air Line Pilots Association, Int?l, on Oct. 17, 2012, at the Association?s biennial Board of Directors meeting. His latest term began on Jan. 1, 2013.
Currently based in Atlanta, First Officer Ortscheid flies the B-717 for AirTran, where he previously served as vice chairman for the AirTran Master Executive Council (MEC). First Officer Ortscheid was also a first officer representative and a member of the MEC Contract Compliance Committee, and led the drive to merge the AirTran pilots? independent union with ALPA.
Before his AirTran experience, First Officer Ortscheid flew for Pinnacle Airlines (now Endeavor Air). While at Pinnacle, he was a local council officer in Detroit. He also served as Strategic Preparedness Committee chairman and was an active member of both the Scheduling and Communications Committees.
As a member of ALPA, First Officer Ortscheid has participated in member organizing drives at Colgan and other carriers.
He resides in Senoia, Ga.




from ALPA's public website

 

[ironspud]

I predict we will see that picture as an avatar someday.

 

[Raoul Duke]

It's unlikely that that lawsuit will even make it past summary judgment.

But isnt that exactly why ALPA would want to offer a nuisance settlement? They can avoid the whole thing altogether. . . Just throw the same pocket change that they paid to TWA (another case that was not supposed to make it past summary judgment) - with the added benefit of not having to spend money for attorneys etc. Besides, it is just insurance money, it is not like dues are affected or that they needed an assessment or something. This way they just avoid the whole thing - win win right?

 

[HowardBorden]

It's unlikely that that lawsuit will even make it past summary judgment.

I can't be bothered to look it up, but what was your prediction on the TWA lawsuit outcome?

 

[PCL_128]

But isnt that exactly why ALPA would want to offer a nuisance settlement?

A nuisance settlement in a case that hasn't even gotten to the summary judgment phase is a few thousand dollars, not millions. When you're confident that a case is going nowhere, there isn't any reason to throw money at it. Remember, ALPA has plenty of in-house attorneys, so legal expenses aren't high for ALPA at the early stages of a case.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Really, all ALPA did with this "nuisance settlement" was encourage the Airtran pilots to push their suit and get their own "nuisance settlement". So Todd, your argument really doesn't hold water.