TWA settlement

[redflyer65]

I thought Dwayne Worthless went down there and tried to get the American pilots into the fold by selling out the TWA guys. Wasn't he from Herndon?

 

[PCL_128]

I thought Dwayne Worthless went down there and tried to get the American pilots into the fold by selling out the TWA guys. Wasn't he from Herndon?

Never happened. The only time Captain Woerth went down there was before the merger, and all contact was broken off when the merger was announced. Besides, ALPA national has no control over local decisions, so there's no way to "sell out" a pilot group even if you wanted to. They make their own decisions, and they fund their own attorneys in an integration. National has no control of anything.

 

[Tomct]

Funny, because every TWA pilot I talk to says that Worthless was in their crew rooms telling them to agree to the deal their reps were about to put in front of them.....apparently, APA dangled their entire pilot group in front of ALPA IF they would tell the TWA guys/gals to agree.....so thats what they did and got royally SCREWED!! HUGE black eye for ALPA!!

 

[densoo]

They didn't listen and wasted years dreaming of something that was never going to come.

This sounds our entire careers.

 

[densoo]

National has no control of anything.

Except all of our dues. Other than that, you're right.

 

[PCL_128]

Funny, because every TWA pilot I talk to says.....

You mean those same people who have been insisting for years that their case was so tight that they were going to walk away with "billions?"

 

[labbats]

I don't talk religion, politics or how TWA did/didn't get screwed.

 

[densoo]

I don't talk religion, politics or how TWA did/didn't get screwed.

Sage advice.

 

[glasspilot1]

PCL is a ALPA apologist. No matter what facts we show him he'll stick with his mantra.

While many of us wish the award was higher, in the end THIS WASN'T ABOUT THE MONEY! ALPA was found guilty of DFR in a federal court (2011). ALPA DID throw the TWA pilots under the bus in an attempt to bring the APA pilots back into the fold.

 

[glasspilot1]

I don't talk religion, politics or how TWA did/didn't get screwed.

So why did you make that post?

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Hey PCL, isn't your term as EVP up yet? You can quit making excuses for ALPA any time now. Oh, and you really look like a schmuck in that brown suit with everyone else wearing gray. Didn't they tell you pictures would be taken that day?

Anyone who doesn't think the TWA pilots got screwed has their head too buried in Herndon's ass to have a valid opinion. I'm talking to you PCL.

 

[Raoul Duke]

ALPA saying they did nothing wrong and paying out $53 million is a complete joke. At least admit that mistakes were made and that settling was in the best interests of everyone. Insurance Companies dont just fork over $$$ because you want them to - especially not at or near the top of their policy limits. They evaluated the case, knew they were going to pay so they avoided cost of trial. ALPA knew they would lose, also knew there were few assets beyond the insurance $ that could be recovered and cut a deal. Saying the TWA pilots caved is a farce - they got as much as they could and walked. Having a billion dollar judgment against someone who has $53 million in cash will result in you recovering the cash and not much else. ALPA would have avoided the rest of the judgement by filing bankruptcy or its union equivalent and pouring future dues into the restructured entity.

It is a complete disservice to tell me what a great job you did avoiding paying more than the $53 MILLION DOLLARS actually paid.

I imagine this is the largest DFR award in the history of organized labor. To paint it in any other shade of BS is a complete joke. But then again it is par for the course.

 

[PCL_128]

Nice spin. I figured you'd have to work pretty hard to justify that massive cave from $2 billion down to $0.053 billion. Well done!

 

[71driver]

Never happened. The only time Captain Woerth went down there was before the merger, and all contact was broken off when the merger was announced. Besides, ALPA national has no control over local decisions, so there's no way to "sell out" a pilot group even if you wanted to. They make their own decisions, and they fund their own attorneys in an integration. National has no control of anything.

Funny the same thing was said on the stand which was proven to be otherwise....as were other key pieces of info.

From what I have heard you say over the years in regards to the lawsuit, is really just an extension of ALPA talk, but with the insignia below your name, I guess it's to be expected.

I went to the closing arguements, listened objectively and learned a lot...it was worse than I thought, the DFR was valid as the juror's confirmed....ALPA doesn't pay 53 million if it's not....y'all are smart enough to figure that out

You have been outspoken, to the point of insulting the former TWA guys and gals about this lawsuit for sometime now, here at AT and on this board...the highlight you wrote above is simply not true, and shows that you have more of an "ALPA opinion" than detailed knowledge about the case.

You are a hard working smart gent and I have enjoyed our talks together in the past...well not all of them ......but you should know when to bite your tongue..IMHO this is one of them

Congrats again on your recent happening:beer:

 

[PCL_128]

the DFR was valid as the juror's confirmed....ALPA doesn't pay 53 million if it's not....y'all are smart enough to figure that out

Actually, ALPA pays that because it basically amounts to nuisance settlement costs for a case like this. Sorry to burst your bubble.