SWA lands at wrong Branson Airport

[dustrpilot]

Never trust the news

 

[Erlanger]

The pilots speak.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/18/usa-airport-southwest-idUSL2N0KS04C20140118

 

[tankerhead]

Never trust the news

Why not? Their unbiased reporting rarely contains any errors.

 

[waveflyer]

Never trust the news

Except Fox

Always trust fox

Fair and balanced

 

[PCL_128]

"The pilots said the approach had been programmed into the plane's flight management system, but that they saw the bright runway lights of Clark Downtown Airport and flew a visual approach into what they mistakenly believed to be Branson Airport."

Hmm. This is harder to defend. Having the approach loaded into the box, but neither pilot is paying attention to it? Not good.

 

[Little G-Force]

You should read the book "Sky Gods.". Pay special attention to the problems Pan Am had with captains who could do no wrong.

As to how many mistakes are ok, the answer is simple: as many as you can mitigate. I have yet to fly the perfect flight and I make mistakes. I catch most of them and the other pilot catches the few I miss. (the goal is to mitigate in the flight deck vs ATC or an incident!) This is why we stress effective CRM and pilot monitoring. Nobody is perfect and I highly doubt you bring an "A" game every time. Everyone needs to remember one thing when these things happens: There is always a chain of events that lead up to an incident. Multiple people have an opportunity to break a link and prevent an incident. So, that being said, if the pilots did not willfully violate policy or purposely act reckless, they should not be hung out alone to dry by armchair quarterbacks.

You don't hear what I'm saying, you want this to be about me but it's not

I submit the only acceptable mistakes are the ones that don't get you violated. I've made plenty ....but this debate is about private pilot stuff. Remember the first cross country. Solo? Remember checking your VFR sectional to be sure the railroad tracks were where they were suppose to be ? Or how about the airport?

What happened to planning a VDP? If airport EL was 1300 WTF?

And what about the FIX page.? DME is DME ain't it?

 

[WSurf]

FO had been with Southwest since 2001? How long is the upgrade currently or do many just pass it up for QOL.

 

[inline]

Except Fox

Always trust fox

Fair and balanced

Another lib offended by their great satan, Fox news. But of course you always trust msnbc,abc,nbc, cbs, new york times, los angeles times, etc.etc., because those guys are an arm of your beloved dumbocrat party.

 

[Golden Falcon]

Even on a visual it is prudent and by some operators required to monitor an electronic glideslope if available...a tuned ILS whether visual or not is an early indicator of something not going right

 

[Kingwood]

Another lib offended by their great satan, Fox news. But of course you always trust msnbc,abc,nbc, cbs, new york times, los angeles times, etc.etc., because those guys are an arm of your beloved dumbocrat party.

That's right....anyone who doesn't follow the gospel according to Fox or Rush is a lib....and anyone who doesn't believe in Maddow and MSM are angry old rich white guys..They are all full of sheeeet...repubs, dems....blah, blah, blah...they have an agenda sans reporting factual news...follow the money for the real agenda....don't have to hold your nose and choose...stay independent ...try doing your own thinking instead of listening to all the bubbleheads....they really all are idiots which doesn't speak well for those of us who believe in their dribble

 

[Dornier 335]

Another lib offended by their great satan, Fox news. But of course you always trust msnbc,abc,nbc, cbs, new york times, los angeles times, etc.etc., because those guys are an arm of your beloved dumbocrat party.

I suggest the following. And that applies to other networks, too.

Bottom line: Use your brain. It may hurt at the beginning, but you'll get used to it.

 

[Dan Roman]

I suggest the following. And that applies to other networks, too.

Bottom line: Use your brain. It may hurt at the beginning, but you'll get used to it.

Well said, it's amazing how many people in the country will let someone who will say anything to boost ratings do their thinking for them.

 

[Dan Roman]

Speaking of news and this incident, was anybody else blown away by how bad the story on 20/20 was last night. Aviation reporting is often weak, but that story was incredibly misleading.

 

[IBNAV8R]

Speaking of news and this incident, was anybody else blown away by how bad the story on 20/20 was last night. Aviation reporting is often weak, but that story was incredibly misleading.

Reporter crashes sim, proving that we have a national crisis on pilot proficiency.

 

[scoreboardII]

Still waiting from a SW guy, do all of your aircraft have RAAS onboard? Even without the approach in the box they should have heard they were approaching the wrong runway......

No idea what this is so I guess that answers your question.

 

[Dan Roman]

Reporter crashes sim, proving that we have a national crisis on pilot proficiency.

How classic was that....along with tying in the SWA incident with pilot's over use of automation.

 

[Dan Roman]

Oh, and I want to find out how I can fly from HNL to JFK and only have to push 7 buttons....that will make my job so much easier!

 

[Dash Power]

Oh, and I want to find out how I can fly from HNL to JFK and only have to push 7 buttons....that will make my job so much easier!

Right??

And that coming from an American pilot.

 

[livin'thesim]

Except Fox

Always trust fox

Fair and balanced

Hehe. Another fox news hater. You folks remind me of the loonies who used to play every pop song backward looking for instructions on how to worship the devil.

Hey, don't get me wrong, I think all TV news is for idiots with minimal attention spans. I get my news from print, where there is time and space to hash out more of the facts, and breathless reporting is much tougher to pull off.

Fox news is just another liberal dog whistle, and right on cue, here you are clutching your pearls and dropping onto the fainting couch. I don't watch fox. I don't even like fox. But I *love, love, love* watching libs get their panties in a twist over it.

Thanks! you made my day.

 

[livin'thesim]

That's right....anyone who doesn't follow the gospel according to Fox or Rush is a lib....and anyone who doesn't believe in Maddow and MSM are angry old rich white guys..They are all full of sheeeet...repubs, dems....blah, blah, blah...they have an agenda sans reporting factual news...follow the money for the real agenda....don't have to hold your nose and choose...stay independent ...try doing your own thinking instead of listening to all the bubbleheads....they really all are idiots which doesn't speak well for those of us who believe in their dribble

"drivel"