Stop extending Nja brothers

[X-rated]

One easy way to track this going forward, it seems, would be to work into the future CBA that ANY revenue-producing flight on behalf of NJA (which includes contracted sell-offs) MUST carry the call-sign "ExecJet". Then it would be a matter of easily scanning flight aware.com on a frequent basis for any "ExecJet" call sign which is not a QS.

Is that even legal? Aren't call signs assigned to the operator?

 

[gutshotdraw]

One easy way to track this going forward, it seems, would be to work into the future CBA that ANY revenue-producing flight on behalf of NJA (which includes contracted sell-offs) MUST carry the call-sign "ExecJet". Then it would be a matter of easily scanning flight aware.com on a frequent basis for any "ExecJet" call sign which is not a QS.

1) There is no letter of agreement in place with ATC outside of North America for the use of the "ExecJet" call sign. Registration numbers must be used for most international operations.

2) Each and every Part 135 operator that NetJets uses would have to establish a letter of agreement with ATC to use the ExecJet callsign. Since a Travel Management Hawker is neither owned nor operated by NetJets, ATC would never issue such an LOA.

I understand your frustration. But as Gunfyter pointed out, there is no easy way to defeat the company's sell off strategy.

 

[Rubber Ducky]

Perhaps a letter to the Berkshire Hathaway Ethics Board with a cc to CNN and FOX?

 

[BuckMurdock1]

Is that even legal? Aren't call signs assigned to the operator?

I assumed this was possible because of this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_Z11L29BlA

It was scabs flying an international flight with "Spirit Wings" callsign in A/C type other than on certificate. Perhaps it's different because it's a 121 sked flt. ?

There's gotta be some other way then, perhaps, to accurately track selloffs other than taking NJA's "word".

Of course in a perfect and "just"/"fair" world, every pilot from XYZ charters who is knowingly assigned a selloff trip would bang in sick with the knowledge that even 1 NJA pilot is furloughed out of solidarity. I know we don't live in a perfect world.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

Perhaps a letter to the Berkshire Hathaway Ethics Board with a cc to CNN and FOX?

I like that idea...

 

[gutshotdraw]

Perhaps a letter to the Berkshire Hathaway Ethics Board with a cc to CNN and FOX?

And Bloomberg News, and CNBC, and AIN, and B/CA, and Pro Pilot, and......

 

[BuckMurdock1]

And Bloomberg News, and CNBC, and AIN, and B/CA, and Pro Pilot, and......

Perhaps even to uncle Warren himself, to make sure his minions don't run interference. I get the impression that he doesn't tolerate shenanigans like this at any of his companies.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Perhaps even to uncle Warren himself, to make sure his minions don't run interference. I get the impression that he doesn't tolerate shenanigans like this at any of his companies.

Actually, despite his "aw, shucks" public persona, I have come to the inescapable conclusion that Uncle Warren not only tolerates shenanigans that benefit the bottom line, but he implicitly or explicitly encourages them. Although he is a HUGE social leftist and Obama supporter, he LOATHES unions.

 

[ProFracPilot]

Although he is a HUGE social leftist and Obama supporter, he LOATHES unions.

Oh, the irony...

 

[gutshotdraw]

Oh, the irony...

Right?

 

[JustPlaneTruth]

Actually, despite his "aw, shucks" public persona, I have come to the inescapable conclusion that Uncle Warren not only tolerates shenanigans that benefit the bottom line, but he implicitly or explicitly encourages them. Although he is a HUGE social leftist and Obama supporter, he LOATHES unions.

20th Century Robber Baron with a smile.

 

[amaineiac]

Actually, despite his "aw, shucks" public persona......

Yea, I have ZERO respect for the man. If he ever gets tired of investing, he could go into acting.

 

[fischman]

The only ways for us to actually know 100% for sure that the company is selling off is to have access to the computers or to forbid selloffs at all. The only way for that to happen is to get it into the CBA. I wouldn't trust the computer data.

That leaves option #2.

The company gets the union it deserves. If they don't want to be 100% forthcoming in regards to selloffs, then they lose the ability to do so.

 

[Downwind]

NJASAP should have spent more time and resources figuring out a way to track this stuff better... They've had 4 years to figure out a way.

As far as I can tell they rely on:

1) Pilots on the road "noticing" a sell-off

2) the company "not lying" about it...As if people actually believe the company can't figure a way to make the numbers work in their favor...

Instead NJASAP spends more time and resources on bylaw referendums, votes, polls, internal bitching, government affairs etc etc etc..

+1

I stood by NJASAP until recently. They are a complete waste of space. I'm embarrassed to have backed them for so long.

 

[fischman]

+1

I stood by NJASAP until recently. They are a complete waste of space. I'm embarrassed to have backed them for so long.

Sooo... Then what???

You no longer support the union? What does that mean? Does that mean you'd scab? Extend? Fly broken planes?


Be careful how you word things.