SWA Plans Adding 25 International Flights from FLL

[HowardBorden]

You never got close to do the proving runs, but you started working on etops in 2010.

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2010/12/southwest-airlines-looking-for.html/

You do realize that once you receive ETOPS certification you need to use it to keep the authorization active, right? If you don't have any ETOPS destinations in your route structure you aren't able to use it. As Hawaii plans changed so did the need for ETOPS.

From Gary Kelly:

"The final step with the certification we wouldn't do until we're ready to announce Hawaii service. So there's no more preparation we need to do. Once we decide, then we would have to undertake that and have enough time between the announcement and the certification to make sure we're prepared to launch, but there's no reason to do that until we're ready to go."

 

[Flopgut]

Dan: You say things that sound good, your actions are otherwise [65]. That's the simple truth. Additionally, you have not had to catch the whole SWA act in person. Wait til they find someone who can hold their hand thru etops and they start going to Hawaii. Then tell me how impressed, patient and happy you are as you watch them accumulate political favors you thought weren't possible.

I agree Continental has an awful past. But I think more than any other group, Continental pilots had to eat a mile of sh1t for it. We still do, everyday. As hard as any group of airline employees felt it was to improve their company and their contracts selling against CAL/Lorenzo in the 80s, I think I'd still maybe rather that than sell against an outfit like SWA. Good Lord, they get handed any Texas airport deal they need. They buried Braniff, Transtar and have half buried AirTran. All while whistling zippidy doo da out their a-holes. And, let's all watch closely, because there is going to be more trickery in the route situation with SWA. The way international routes have been awarded for the last 60-70 years isn't going to work for SWA.

 

[tankerhead]

About that refill....

 

[FlyinGuy]

SWA buried Braniff??? Wow, I don't think that is even in the "Book of SWA lore"!!

 

[General Lee]

From Gary Kelly:

"The final step with the certification we wouldn't do until we're ready to announce Hawaii service. So there's no more preparation we need to do. Once we decide, then we would have to undertake that and have enough time between the announcement and the certification to make sure we're prepared to launch, but there's no reason to do that until we're ready to go."

Continued: "and after we get the ETOPS certification, we intend to fly our 737s to the Moon and Pluto, with a tech stop at Uranus....and only RSW's too, sorry trannies.... All aboard! Toot toot!"


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[scoreboardII]

Buried Braniff...

Wiki:

The airline ceased operations on May 12 and 13, 1982 due to both high fuel prices and competition after implementation of the Airline Deregulation Act in December 1978

That and maybe buying concords to fly subsonic across the US.

 

[scoreboardII]

Dan: You say things that sound good, your actions are otherwise [65]. That's the simple truth. Additionally, you have not had to catch the whole SWA act in person. Wait til they find someone who can hold their hand thru etops and they start going to Hawaii. Then tell me how impressed, patient and happy you are as you watch them accumulate political favors you thought weren't possible.

I agree Continental has an awful past. But I think more than any other group, Continental pilots had to eat a mile of sh1t for it. We still do, everyday. As hard as any group of airline employees felt it was to improve their company and their contracts selling against CAL/Lorenzo in the 80s, I think I'd still maybe rather that than sell against an outfit like SWA. Good Lord, they get handed any Texas airport deal they need. They buried Braniff, Transtar and have half buried AirTran. All while whistling zippidy doo da out their a-holes. And, let's all watch closely, because there is going to be more trickery in the route situation with SWA. The way international routes have been awarded for the last 60-70 years isn't going to work for SWA.

Ooooh!! Please share about the trickery!!! Or will it maybe be standard business negotiations where both parties reap a benefit? I guess if you work for UCAL, fair business deals would seem like some mystical enterprise.

 

[HowardBorden]

Ooooh!! Please share about the trickery!!! Or will it maybe be standard business negotiations where both parties reap a benefit? I guess if you work for UCAL, fair business deals would seem like some mystical enterprise.

Come on scoreboard, you know that there is a double secret set of regulations that only apply to Southwest while every other airline in the country must comply with a completely onerous set of rules that were enacted solely to give SWA an advantage.

Did you miss that day of ground school?

 

[Dan Roman]

Buried Braniff...

Wiki:

That and maybe buying concords to fly subsonic across the US.

...and flying empty 747's all over the place, not having a clue how to handle deregulation, they expanded like wild fire with no thought put into the viability of the routes they flew as they thought deregulation wouldn't last and they wanted as many routes already established as possible, even if they didn't make money.
AA did play a lot of dirty tricks on them, never heard SWA being blamed for their demise though.

 

[tankerhead]

AA did play a lot of dirty tricks on them, never heard SWA being blamed for their demise though.

Well, you just did....and it came from a pretty reasonable, reliable, and rational source.