SWA Plans Adding 25 International Flights from FLL

[Dan Roman]

To be more clear.....we all live in glass houses. In the 80' and 90's CO was guilty of THE worst business practices in history of commercial aviation. Period. You sound like an idiot attacking another pilot group. As is almost always the case, when people start pointing fingers it's real easy to spot hypocrisy in the making.
The reality is we are all just pilots who fly airplanes. All of us can be screwed by a few bad choices by a few people in our respective boardrooms. NONE of us are immune. We should be respecting each other as fellow pilots rather than attacking each other using the decisions our respective management teams make as a way of defining ourselves. Bit of a joke when pilots have overblown hubris because of who they fly for or because they think the fact that their airline is successful that makes them better.

 

[Dan Roman]

Sorry I got so long winded but the "my airline can beat up your airline" crap is getting pretty thick on here. If anyone thinks they are more or less respected because of who they fly for they are fools. It's what you do with the money you earn and the days of you have that count. Not crowing about how wonderful you are because you fly for airline XYZ.

 

[tankerhead]

Sorry I got so long winded but the "my airline can beat up your airline" crap is getting pretty thick on here. If anyone thinks they are more or less respected because of who they fly for they are fools. It's what you do with the money you earn and the days of you have that count. Not crowing about how wonderful you are because you fly for airline XYZ.

Lubbock, green slips, city of Houston, pizza party, Herb turds. Whatcha got to say about that?

Good post. Too bad it'll be dismissed by the ones who need to have it framed on their nightstand.

 

[Andy]

It's fine we don't share an opinion Andy. Frankly I wish we weren't sharing the same seniority list either. I don't wish you any ill will, but as you well know United is where careers go to die, and I wish this merger was not. SWA sure as hell wouldn't have pulled this off without a change in the City of Houston's feeling toward our airline.

Bubba appreciates you siding with him. However, don't forget that after giving Denver the finger in the 90's, SWA marched right back in in 2006. After United lost airplanes on 911, and the ATSB snubbed you, and after your contract was abrogated and pensions were stolen. That was the perfect invitation for SWA, cause that's what they do. Sh1tty things happen to a legacy and then they appear. If the opposite were true and our airline was stalking the SWA ruins, Herb k would lash himself to the front door of Congress and bawl and complain to high Heaven.

Flopgut, you remind me of a quote from Lincoln:

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.​

 

[humveedriver]

Sorry I got so long winded but the "my airline can beat up your airline" crap is getting pretty thick on here. If anyone thinks they are more or less respected because of who they fly for they are fools. It's what you do with the money you earn and the days of you have that count. Not crowing about how wonderful you are because you fly for airline XYZ.

Great post Dan. Depending on life/flying experiences some probably figure this out later than others or not at all. I certainly feel like I have had a good run and haven't had any trouble finding the silver linings in an industry that continues to evolve.

 

[slaquer5]

Dan ,

I do have to say.

Every one of your above post are very well written.

I liked them all, so I could no pick which one to quote

 

[SMcC]

To be more clear.....we all live in glass houses. In the 80' and 90's CO was guilty of THE worst business practices in history of commercial aviation. Period. You sound like an idiot attacking another pilot group. As is almost always the case, when people start pointing fingers it's real easy to spot hypocrisy in the making.
The reality is we are all just pilots who fly airplanes. All of us can be screwed by a few bad choices by a few people in our respective boardrooms. NONE of us are immune. We should be respecting each other as fellow pilots rather than attacking each other using the decisions our respective management teams make as a way of defining ourselves. Bit of a joke when pilots have overblown hubris because of who they fly for or because they think the fact that their airline is successful that makes them better.

So very true

 

[dicko]

ETOPS program failure? Wrong. We never did anything close to ETOPS proving runs. Why don't you pull up the Flightaware (or anyother software you'd like) that showed us going that far to get signed off on ETOPS. You can't so you just make it up.........so yes, your whole hypothesis is complete BS.

Ahem ...... Are you telling me that a SWA jet never pushed back for an ETOPS attempt with a Fed in the Jumpseat ? Or did you choose the words "proving run" very carefully ?

I agree that none of this is rocket surgery. If AirTran can do international, anybody can. But, there are going to be some amusing incidents - pilots giving WATRS position reports to Miami center whilst in radar contact, and giving in to the sudden urge to use WATRS airspace; Admittedly, it does look quicker on a ND.

 

[scoreboardII]

No SWA has not done any ETOPs runs, has AT ever had two flights get violated for Class II airspace deviations in recent history? careful how you answer...

 

[tankerhead]

See, Dan?