SWA Plans Adding 25 International Flights from FLL

[waveflyer]

Flop,
You definitely are not anywhere as cool as the other side of the pillow man.

Fellas, unless you're talking with him to entertain yourself- like when I call GL a sellout for fun and because he is- why chat with the guy?

If you are entertained, by all means proceed- but this has got to be as boring as any general dominated stuck on repeat anti SWA thread as I've seen.

Haters gonna hate fellas.
Take it as the compliment it is-

 

[tankerhead]

Go to sleep!

 

[waveflyer]

In Hawaii!
About to go out my man not even 11 here yet if the woman would hustle I wouldn't be playing on iPad
Love me some lahaina!

 

[General Lee]

Too bad everyone in the industry wasn't able to shred contracts, retirements, dump debt, and screw over creditors and bond holders.

Anyone is free to do so in America. It's the land of second and third chances. If you don't like it, move to the ME, where not paying a debt may lead to dire consequences. BK is not fun for any employee except BK attorneys. But, it's better than the alternative. Some creditors do get some money back, btw. The USAir attempt at grabbing DL in BK got the creditors (including pilots) a lot more money back.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Flopgut]

Flop,
You definitely are not anywhere as cool as the other side of the pillow man.

More than any group on here, the SWA guys can not take any negative criticism. I am not only not flipping out angry, I also often freely admit that I would not want anything negative to happen to your company. (That's something rarely offered by SWA pilots about others). Im adverse to the anti competitive advantages that have been given to SWA since 1967, that's all. And I'm posting now because I smell another rat on SWA routes and how the relate to normal treaties and bilateral agreements that all airlines have had to abide by. Seems obvious to me you guys will be gaming those.

 

[Cometman]

You sound like a very insecure individual. You need to get a life. You are sounding more like General Lee. I ignore him and now I will ignore you. No need to answer because I will not be able to read it. But, really, you need to get some professional help.

 

[Flopgut]

Wait; lemme get this straight...

You're defending code-sharing? And as a union airline, somehow you think we're doing something wrong by NOT code-sharing with others? By NOT allowing the company to make money by having another, cheaper airline do flying that we can and should do? Is that really what you think? What kind of backwards-ass logic is that?

Bubba

Code share is an affiliation strategy that meets the requirements of a bilateral agreement. It's not always a bad thing. Routes are between airports, not cities. Awarded routes are never given to only one side of the equation. Often both sides bilateral concerns are answered with a code share, if not that, then the route airports generally offer plenty of gates so at least two airlines can participate. SWA is NOT offering that. No equal gate space, and if course no code share. It's apparent you don't intend to be burdened with the prevailing rules. I'm guessing you're working on some Houston only caveat like the WA.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Too bad everyone in the industry wasn't able to shred contracts, retirements, dump debt, and screw over creditors and bond holders.

Everybody is able....give it a whirl sometime.

Too bad not everyone in the industry was given a chance to bid on slots after the AA/US merger.

See Mach? It all balances out.

 

[Flopgut]

As far as a Hobby monopoly goes, again you're mistaken. There are plenty of airlines who fly out of Hobby. And the reason we're building a new terminal there is not for any sinister reason, but because we want to provide service that no other airline currently does or wanted to do. We're expanding its abilities. How is that a bad thing (I mean other than to challenge United's Houston international monopoly)? And as far as monopolies go, you should check your facts. If you add up all the air service in Houston (IAH and HOU combined), you'll find that United controls more than 75% of the combined total. That includes Southwest's "piddly" operation at Hobby. If you are really concerned about monopolies, you should probably complain to your own management, and get them to cut it out. They're the ones with a total Houston monopoly.

Bubba

Airlines that fly out of Hobby: SWA/AirTran, JetBlue, Delta, American.

Airlines that fly out of IAH: AeroMexico, AirCanada, AirChina, AirFrance, Alaska, American, British Airways, Frontier, Delta, Emirates, KLM, Lufthansa, Qatar, Turkish, Singapore, Spirit, TACA, VivaAerobus, USAir, and United.

75% of Houston because we have a hub there. Compare that to SWA has 95% of Love Field, and is more than likely going to be given more by DOT. And about 90% of Hobby. So Bubba, who has a monopoly? Who competes more?

 

[surplus1]

Yes, other countries and their cities want air service to the US. Are you really disputing this? Whether it's us or any other airline. Whether or not any particular countries service the US "in return" is up to them, and the particular airport that they want to serve. NOT the airline. Do you expect Volaris to somehow provide the ability for United to serve Mexico because Volaris flies here from Mexico? That's between the airline and the served airport (and of course, appropriate national aviation regulations). If any Mexican or South American airline wants to serve Houston to "get back" at us for daring to serve their country from Houston, then they're welcome to do so. They can use IAH or HOU, depending on their wants and needs. I would presume they would want to use IAH, due to more room (not to mention code-sharing with IAH airlines), but if they really want to serve Hobby, then they can do that as well. There'll already be one gate ready for them, and if they want or need more, then the Hobby administration will build more to meet the demand. Why do you have so much trouble understanding that?

While all of what you say there is probably true. But, I'm sitting here wondering why anyone from the Caribbean or South America would possibly want to go to HOU or IAH on ANY airline. People don't go to airports they go from places to other places. Why would anyone from the Caribbean or SA want to go to Texas (unless it's some dude from Venezuela selling oil)?

There's nothing in Texas but bubbas. Who would leave paradise for that? Nothing personal, just saying.

 

[waveflyer]

More than any group on here, the SWA guys can not take any negative criticism. I am not only not flipping out angry, I also often freely admit that I would not want anything negative to happen to your company. (That's something rarely offered by SWA pilots about others). Im adverse to the anti competitive advantages that have been given to SWA since 1967, that's all. And I'm posting now because I smell another rat on SWA routes and how the relate to normal treaties and bilateral agreements that all airlines have had to abide by. Seems obvious to me you guys will be gaming those.

I can take criticism just fine- just not dumb criticism

Good luck with the rants

 

[Cometman]

I can take criticism just fine- just not dumb criticism

Good luck with the rants

Most people come on here to get information. However, when we do, all we get are dumb remarks by General Lee and Flopnut and your remarks. Why you had to even respond is any body's guess. What did you really say? Nothing. Give it a break and ignore them. Nobody cares what they say or what you have to say in response. Have a good day.

 

[jackjack]

You clearly lost this fight General! I see you've moved on! BTW, where's your pay since you're airline is doing so good? TWIT!

 

[Andy]

It's a twisted world when I find myself rooting for purple and puke orange on an FI thread.

 

[waveflyer]

That's not as dumb as GL or flip, cometman, but it's close.
How many posts do I have? Anybody with more than a 1000 is a troll with issues. At least I know it. Sometimes I give good advice and opinion - sometimes I'm bored in an airport terminal waiting on a flight, annoyed I'm leaving at all much less leaving my girl to play with the island boys and whatever pilots in Maui that might have a go at her and just want to hear myself talk

I promise as many people don't care to hear your attempt at cleaning up FI
Maybe you should put in to be a mod

It's been a while since I received a warning for language

 

[SWA Bubba]

It's a twisted world when I find myself rooting for purple and puke orange on an FI thread.

Hey!

For the last time, it's not "purple," it's "blurple." Get it right, will ya'?

It IS and twisted world, and thanks for your support...

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

While all of what you say there is probably true. But, I'm sitting here wondering why anyone from the Caribbean or South America would possibly want to go to HOU or IAH on ANY airline. People don't go to airports they go from places to other places. Why would anyone from the Caribbean or SA want to go to Texas (unless it's some dude from Venezuela selling oil)?

There's nothing in Texas but bubbas. Who would leave paradise for that? Nothing personal, just saying.

Which, of course, was my main point to Flopgut. Thanks for backing me up, although I'm sure it wasn't your intention. We want to fly international out of Hobby, because that's where our domestic passengers are. So, if your Surplus-like South Americans, who clearly don't want to end up in Texas, fly to Hobby, they can then connect on our domestic network to pretty much any where else in the US. Why, I bet even to your particular neck of the woods, Surplus.

Flopgut seems to think that the only "fair" way to do it, would be for us to have an international operation out of IAH, and then have our passengers take a $100 cab ride from one end of Houston to the other, to connect to another US city.

Bubba

P.S. I don't live in Texas.

 

[Andy]

Hey!

For the last time, it's not "purple," it's "blurple." Get it right, will ya'?

It IS and twisted world, and thanks for your support...

Bubba

Blurple. Got it; makes total sense. I debated on whether to write purple or blue, but opted for the one starting with 'pu' to match 'puke'.

 

[General Lee]

You clearly lost this fight General! I see you've moved on! BTW, where's your pay since you're airline is doing so good? TWIT!

Huh? I haven't lost at all. My pay is great TWIT! Being senior in category, I often fly greenslips, which at double pay equals $300 an hour. DL pay is better per hour than SWA's for 757 and bigger(I fly bigger than 737--and don't forget the INTL override Twit!), better retirement (no individual requirement to invest, company does 13% automatically), and I don't have to fly 737s forever into Lubbock. Throw in 5,000 retirements over the next 10 years vs certain stagnation over there, and you've lost. Bye now!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I can take criticism just fine- just not dumb criticism

Good luck with the rants

Wave, you can't deal with facts. You then resort to calling it "dumb criticism..." Sorry, that's plain dumb. Facts like multiple leg days, 737s forever , and stagnation are just truths you have to admit, but can't. And, quite a few people each day have to fly to LBB, MAF, and AMA. That sux.


Bye Bye---General Lee