10/250

[fischman]

Walmart makes billions upon billions in revenue. I take it then, that their pilots should be making around 750K?

Sounds good to me. Now you're catching on. It's time pilots are treated like the professionals we are.

Have a good night boys. I'm done.

 

[imacdog]

Nice cheerleading but mostly devoid of logic and reality.

 

[fischman]

Nice cheerleading but mostly devoid of logic and reality.

Like I said, be sure to say thank you when we raise the bar. Many of these arguments were said in 2004. We managed to get the impossible then too.

 

[fischman]

I understand the difference between revenues versus profit. If profits are sustainable at $200 million and you increase an expense component by $260 million, you're losing money.

Assuming revenues are $2 billion, 2% is $40 million divided by 2500 pilots is $16K...not $100K.

Someone's math doesn't compute...not sure it matters anyway as it won't change the thought process.

You're looking at today's numbers. Think long term.

 

[imacdog]

Like I said, be sure to say thank you when we raise the bar. Many of these arguments were said in 2004. We managed to get the impossible then too.

In 2004 NJA pilots were the laughing stock of the industry. Their big victory was to get industry average wages. Now you're thinking you're going to get a 100% raise?

 

[fischman]

Yup!!!

 

[hopalong]

Am I correct in saying that imac dog is furloughed? iMac dog, i feel your pain. I, was very close to being furloughed myself, not too far from the bottom. I, can say that I have flown corporate for years before netjets. These days we are busting our butts, more than any corporate job. You say that we are in our netjets bubble but you have not been here in a few years, so who the hell are you to tell us what we go through day in and out? We are pushing for you to come back but your condescending attitude and disrespect towards fish man is disgusting and you come across as a jerk. I understand that you are frustrated but fish man is trying to fight for you, and we are trying to land an industry leading contract.

Fish man, keep up the fight brother and keep on educating.

Imac dog, what do you believe we should be paid?

 

[imacdog]

As I said earlier Hopalong, the pay will be determined by the rest of the sections. You might just look at the pay section when voting, but I don't. And yes, I know the job you do. I've done it. Your contract and job description has not changed since the furlough. So there's more flying, fine, but you aren't doing stuff like managing the aircraft, working with the FAA directly to get various approvals, getting your own slots during ski season, etc. You aren't the only hard-working pilots out there.

 

[el raton]

Like I said, be sure to say thank you when we raise the bar. Many of these arguments were said in 2004. We managed to get the impossible then too.

Is Netjets growing like they were in 04?

 

[fischman]

Is Netjets growing like they were in 04?

I am not at liberty to say.

(Fancy way of saying "I don't know").

 

[fischman]

As I said earlier Hopalong, the pay will be determined by the rest of the sections. You might just look at the pay section when voting, but I don't. And yes, I know the job you do. I've done it. Your contract and job description has not changed since the furlough. So there's more flying, fine, but you aren't doing stuff like managing the aircraft, working with the FAA directly to get various approvals, getting your own slots during ski season, etc. You aren't the only hard-working pilots out there.

No one said we were. We just said what we're worth. You think you're worth less than that. Fine. Don't drag us down with you.

 

[imacdog]

Also hop, since you don't believe NJA has an industry leading contract, then who does in the frac world?

 

[hopalong]

As I said earlier Hopalong, the pay will be determined by the rest of the sections. You might just look at the pay section when voting, but I don't. And yes, I know the job you do. I've done it. Your contract and job description has not changed since the furlough. So there's more flying, fine, but you aren't doing stuff like managing the aircraft, working with the FAA directly to get various approvals, getting your own slots during ski season, etc. You aren't the only hard-working pilots out there.

Fair enough, that you would like to see the rest of the sections improved as well.
We are pushing for that as well. Lets make this conversation interesting. What percentage of a raise do you think we are worth? Everyone else please chime in as well. Lets talk numbers people.

 

[imacdog]

No one said we were. We just said what we're worth. You think you're worth less than that. Fine. Don't drag us down with you.

Hey you can wish in one hand and poop in the other and see what gets filled first. Just consider me a realist.

 

[fischman]

Hey you can wish in one hand and poop in the other and see what gets filled first. Just consider me a realist.

Naw. I consider you a pessimist.

 

[jetlag7]

THE STORY SO FAR.....

fischman believes he is worth a raise....

imacdog is angry with fishman for wanting a raise....

THE END

 

[hopalong]

Also hop, since you don't believe NJA has an industry leading contract, then who does in the frac world?

Have you kept up on inflation? The purchasing power of a dollar today is a lot less than in the past years...

Why do you think because we have a current industry leading contract in the fractional world, that we shouldn't demand for an even better one???
It is this defeatist attitude that will be our demise until you wake up and DEMAND your worth!

 

[jonjuan]

Like I said, be sure to say thank you when we raise the bar. Many of these arguments were said in 2004. We managed to get the impossible then too.

2004, In the most perfect private aviation economy ever. Those days are long one, kemosabe.

 

[fischman]

2004, In the most perfect private aviation economy ever. Those days are long one, kemosabe.

Nope. They are ahead of us. Re-read "the perfect storm"

 

[jonjuan]

Nope. They are ahead of us. Re-read "the perfect storm"

You are wrong. Read "Reality bites". No way WB coughs up more than 10%. Good luck.