10/250

[fischman]

As I said earlier Hopalong, the pay will be determined by the rest of the sections. You might just look at the pay section when voting, but I don't. And yes, I know the job you do. I've done it. Your contract and job description has not changed since the furlough. So there's more flying, fine, but you aren't doing stuff like managing the aircraft, working with the FAA directly to get various approvals, getting your own slots during ski season, etc. You aren't the only hard-working pilots out there.

No one said we were. We just said what we're worth. You think you're worth less than that. Fine. Don't drag us down with you.

 

[imacdog]

Also hop, since you don't believe NJA has an industry leading contract, then who does in the frac world?

 

[hopalong]

As I said earlier Hopalong, the pay will be determined by the rest of the sections. You might just look at the pay section when voting, but I don't. And yes, I know the job you do. I've done it. Your contract and job description has not changed since the furlough. So there's more flying, fine, but you aren't doing stuff like managing the aircraft, working with the FAA directly to get various approvals, getting your own slots during ski season, etc. You aren't the only hard-working pilots out there.

Fair enough, that you would like to see the rest of the sections improved as well.
We are pushing for that as well. Lets make this conversation interesting. What percentage of a raise do you think we are worth? Everyone else please chime in as well. Lets talk numbers people.

 

[imacdog]

No one said we were. We just said what we're worth. You think you're worth less than that. Fine. Don't drag us down with you.

Hey you can wish in one hand and poop in the other and see what gets filled first. Just consider me a realist.

 

[fischman]

Hey you can wish in one hand and poop in the other and see what gets filled first. Just consider me a realist.

Naw. I consider you a pessimist.

 

[jetlag7]

THE STORY SO FAR.....

fischman believes he is worth a raise....

imacdog is angry with fishman for wanting a raise....

THE END

 

[hopalong]

Also hop, since you don't believe NJA has an industry leading contract, then who does in the frac world?

Have you kept up on inflation? The purchasing power of a dollar today is a lot less than in the past years...

Why do you think because we have a current industry leading contract in the fractional world, that we shouldn't demand for an even better one???
It is this defeatist attitude that will be our demise until you wake up and DEMAND your worth!

 

[jonjuan]

Like I said, be sure to say thank you when we raise the bar. Many of these arguments were said in 2004. We managed to get the impossible then too.

2004, In the most perfect private aviation economy ever. Those days are long one, kemosabe.

 

[fischman]

2004, In the most perfect private aviation economy ever. Those days are long one, kemosabe.

Nope. They are ahead of us. Re-read "the perfect storm"

 

[jonjuan]

Nope. They are ahead of us. Re-read "the perfect storm"

You are wrong. Read "Reality bites". No way WB coughs up more than 10%. Good luck.

 

[fischman]

You are wrong. Read "Reality bites". No way WB coughs up more than 10%. Good luck.

We shall see. Buckle up. It's going to be a long ride.

 

[OPECJet]

I think WB will cough up more than 10% if he wants NJA to continue flying. The 100% Fisch talks about would be awesome. The reality is we'll be lucky to see 30%.

 

[billybob]

There is the $$$ and there is retirement and scope.

Lets all remember WE are working together. Lets not piss on each other (falcon guys it's ok) lets work on some ideas and getting me back to work.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Can't compete? Seriously? What competition? Avantair? CitationAir? Flex and FLOPS are only 30% of the market share.

Someone get his man-card.

Exactly.

What competition? Kenny's King Airs?



Huge pay increases coming.

 

[FLYLOW22]

I believe Fisch is also leaving out that the average part 91 pilot, while flying less hours than an equivalent NJA pilot, takes on management, dispatch, flight coordination, and other ancillary duties that NJA pilots do not. Compared with the average part 91 pilots, NJA pilots are actually closer to "walking in and turning left" than not.

We aren't 91.

We aren't airline.

We're NetJets.


There are no new arguments here now presented than in 2004 as to why or why NJA pilots will not be given solid/real/hefty pay increases. Don't mistake lack of message board willingness for lack of resolve, however.

This company needs a safe and competent workforce to move it's Owners around.

That comes with a price.

Many airlines will be hiring and with right seat pay meeting or exceeding whatNJA pilots can make in the left seat currently, it's just good business for many pilots at NJA to consider making a move to equal pay with the assurance of more in the future rather than stay at a place with no future except low wages.


No Brainer. Let the exodus begin.

With the opening offer from the company being a 5% paycut... I can't read this playing out any other way for management.

No pilots to hire and pilots leaving... not good.